On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:42 +, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
* Having five gazillion posts that say me too, is not exactly a
productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get
when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced
Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
* Having five gazillion posts that say me too, is not exactly a
productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get
when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced people and you hand
them a web
FreeBSD? i don't think so.
While I can see the point you are trying to make, and it's a valid
concern, I don't fully agree.
What you are essentially hinting at is that having a forum will attract
less experienced users. I don't think less experienced people are, for
some reason, 'idiots', but
I have the perfect solution for you since you know more than 80 - 90
percent of the subscribers to this list.
Why not create you own operating system and then pick and choose who
could use it. All of the source you need is freely available.
because it will take too much time.
So Rolls-Royce should start to mass-produce cars for everyone? it won't
be Rolls-Royce anymore.
This is nonsense: better start charging money for FreeBSD then.
FreeBSD will not turn bad (or Linux) whenever more users are using it.
if it would be kept high quality i would be able to pay for
I don't want to fan the flames, but isn't that exactly what Wojciech is
suggesting? That Linux went wrong when it began to cater too much to
the perceived need to give former Windows users a user-friendly
system?
exactly.
Anyway, I suspect that this discussion more properly belongs on the
have).
while there may be some benefit to freebsd becoming 'popular', it would
it is already popular within experienced users. number one or two.
it's just enough.
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Hi,
there are difference between less experienced and idiots.
the latter are less experienced and WANT TO keep it that way.
Wojciech - I appreciate the UNIX knowledge that you have but
continuing this discussion in this manner seems pointless. Your points
are exagerrated to say the least.
I
Wojciech - I appreciate the UNIX knowledge that you have but
continuing this discussion in this manner seems pointless. Your points
are exagerrated to say the least.
exactly the same i heard years ago on NetBSD list, and more years ago on
linux list. time showed that i was right.
I am very
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:27:08 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
_large_ number of inexperienced people may result in a significantly
lower signal/noise ratio. I can definitely agree to that.
with 100:1 signal/noise ratio experienced people will start to leave the
Hi,
it already had for years. just required to turn on brain for a minute or
less to send subscription mail
The fact that you love to communicate via email does not mean that
everyone shoud/must/does. And you shouldn't call people idiots only
because they have different preference than you.
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
| On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:42 +, Matthew Seaman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Oh, wow. That's perfect. Or it would be if it was compatible with
| firefox-3.0.4 ...
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| It is. I'm using it with Firefox 3.0.4, after
The fact that you love to communicate via email does not mean that
everyone shoud/must/does. And you shouldn't call people idiots only
because they have different preference than you.
it's not preference. it's self-limiting to just single interface for
everything - WWW. today common trend.
today we have at least 10:1
Let's not be too pessimistic, shall we? :D
i'm realistic.
those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they
can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list
they will not become experienced unix users ever.
We can help as much as we
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:03 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they
can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list
they will not become experienced unix users ever.
We can help as much as we can, by
questions a day. and i do answer and help if i can.
but soon it will be much worse.
I beg to differ. I don't like playing the `old fart' card, but I've
been a subscriber to questions for a decade or so. I haven't noticed
any significant reduction in the quality of traffic. It still rocks as
maybe this webforum could help by redirecting some kind of folks to it,
making mailing list less noisy.
If we're talking about signal to noise ratio, this thread is getting
pretty high on the noise end of the spectrum...
-Modulok-
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:50:40 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means
attracting
NO IT IS NOT!
Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;)
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minix doesn't work well under high
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 01:06:34AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend.
Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here.
no - because i'm not trolling. simply ignore me if you don't understand
what i write
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:58:39 +0100 (CET),
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce
the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion
On Sunday 16 November 2008 11:04:28 am Brad Davis wrote:
The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce
the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum.
Thank you!
For problem-solving and discussion my personal preference is still for
mailing lists,
Matthew Seaman wrote:
Looks like the www/xpi-mozex port is a bit out of date. 1.9.5 in ports
versus 1.9.9 available on-line. Unless someone beats me to it, I'll
submit an update to the maintainer this evening.
ports/128945
Matthew
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Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil.
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:04:28AM -0700, Brad Davis wrote:
You can register and start using our new service here:
http://forums.FreeBSD.org
How about setting up a bidirectional Forum - Mailing List bridge?
Perhaps to freebsd-questions@ or (not as good) to a special new list,
say, [EMAIL
cpghost wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:04:28AM -0700, Brad Davis wrote:
You can register and start using our new service here:
http://forums.FreeBSD.org
How about setting up a bidirectional Forum - Mailing List bridge?
Perhaps to freebsd-questions@ or (not as good) to a special new
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 04:23:55PM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote:
cpghost wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:04:28AM -0700, Brad Davis wrote:
You can register and start using our new service here:
http://forums.FreeBSD.org
How about setting up a bidirectional Forum - Mailing List
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:38:53PM +0100, cpghost wrote:
IMHO there should be a way to archive forum posts in some way, and
make them available in near real-time to users whose workflow is
much more geared towards mailing lists. One might miss an interesting
forum thread, because not everyone
Unfortunately, the only one who doesn't understand would not be
any of the other posters.
The community is much more trustworthy than you give it credit.
The community got us a valuable resource and will continue to
do so if people who might take an interest aren't too put off
by perpetual
Dear FreeBSD users,
The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the
availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is
our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for
FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine
Great, very useful!
Thanks a lot!
gr
Arno
On 16 nov 2008, at 17:04, Brad Davis wrote:
Dear FreeBSD users,
The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce
the
availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is
our hope that this forum will serve
The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the
availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is
our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for
FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine mailing
lists.
this
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
this will add lots of i...ts that are unable to configure mail program
and subscribe. is having as much users as possible really good for
FreeBSD? i don't think so.
There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD.
If all people were specialists in FreeBSD,
and subscribe. is having as much users as possible really good for
FreeBSD? i don't think so.
There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD.
OF COURSE. but how usable such forum be for specialists (i mean just
someone bit advanced)?
will it be separate forum or integrated
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 07:58:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the
availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is
our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for
FreeBSD users
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
and subscribe. is having as much users as possible really good for
FreeBSD? i don't think so.
There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD.
OF COURSE. but how usable such forum be for specialists (i mean just
someone bit advanced)?
will it be
It's independent of the mailing lists -- there's a feed of the News articles
that's fine - just i've checked it.
i was scared it will be webinterface to this mailing list.
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Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means attracting
NO IT IS NOT!
complete beginners by what ever means work, since today's
Noob is potentially tomorrow's elite Kernel programmer.
At first he must be programmer at all. you can learn programming in
any OS, even
On 11/17/08, FBSD UG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Great, very useful!
Thanks a lot!
gr
Arno
There was a bsdforums.org before, and closed down, and now
http://daemonforums.org,
I don't see the point of having an official forum from freebsd.
If for announcement purpose, a dynamic webpage
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means
attracting
NO IT IS NOT!
Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;)
--
Bruce Cran
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Bruce Cran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means
attracting
NO IT IS NOT!
Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Glen Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Bruce Cran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means
Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means
attracting
NO IT IS NOT!
Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;)
--
minix doesn't work well under high load. it's not even designed to do
this. maybe it will change, and full DMA ide drivers. will be
Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;)
I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am that a potential
user's question turned into a flamewar.
actually it's NOT a flamewar.
it's my WARNING to all current FreeBSD community about the effect of doing
such nonsense
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Wojciech Puchar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...snip...]
I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend.
Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here.
--
Glen Barber
If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a
I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend.
Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here.
no - because i'm not trolling. simply ignore me if you don't understand
what i write
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Indeed you are trolling
Considering that your way of thinking is actually a flame.
Also I never knew how to program before I even started to use *nix, but once
I did I began to learn how to code.
Also I know what your saying your in the dark ages it seems where, elites
rule
No Offense
No Offense
indeed it is offense. my opinion is different than yours so i have to
shut up. that's what you said/
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On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;)
I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am that a potential
user's question turned into a flamewar.
actually it's NOT a flamewar.
it's my WARNING to all current FreeBSD
why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better?
what better exactly? sounds interesting. please add some details, because
for now i see that it going not better not worse but exactly the same way
as my examples.
If FreeBSD becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:20:47 +0100
FBSD UG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better?
If FreeBSD becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or later
this is possibly good advice, but i think that wojciech makes a valid
warning and, imho, i think it
* FBSD UG [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-17 01:20:47 +0100]:
On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Learn from other's mistakes (like linux,netbsd), instead of repeating
and repeating the same mistake again.
why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? If FreeBSD
becomes
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Charlie Kester [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
* FBSD UG [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-17 01:20:47 +0100]:
On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Learn from other's mistakes (like linux,netbsd), instead of repeating
and repeating the same mistake again.
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the
availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is
our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for
FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
In the same time, it's like Rolls-Royce of operating system.
So Rolls-Royce should start to mass-produce cars for everyone? it won't
be Rolls-Royce anymore.
This is nonsense: better start charging money for FreeBSD then.
FreeBSD will not turn bad (or Linux) whenever
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:58:39 +0100 (CET),
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce
the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum.
It is our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel
for
Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
* Having five gazillion posts that say me too, is not exactly a
productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get
when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced people and you hand
them a web interface to freely post short, often
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