Re: Release schedules

2008-12-14 Thread Eitan Adler
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Thank you Jonathan - I cannot give much to FBSD as I am not a programmer either but - again - if I can be of any use communication-wise, I am happy to join the community and serve. Actually, you could give a lot to the project. I could think of a few things and I'm sure

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-14 Thread andrew clarke
On Sat 2008-12-13 19:05:35 UTC+, Matthew Seaman (m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk) wrote: Ports aren't actually frozen at the moment. Neither are they completely open for any sort of updates. Instead they're in a 'slush' -- no sweeping changes permitted, no major changes to the

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-14 Thread Matthew Seaman
andrew clarke wrote: On Sat 2008-12-13 19:05:35 UTC+, Matthew Seaman (m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk) wrote: Ports aren't actually frozen at the moment. Neither are they completely open for any sort of updates. Instead they're in a 'slush' -- no sweeping changes permitted, no major

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-13 Thread Jonathan McKeown
...@hst.org.za Subject: Re: Release schedules On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: I've been biting my tongue about this because I'm not sure that I can offer any help or useful suggestions

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-13 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hello, As a community, we should be ashamed of this: ``volunteer effort'' just isn't a good enough excuse - and those of us who haven't volunteered need to find out how we can help get things back on track for the next release. When I first raised this, I asked if there was anything I could

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-13 Thread Matthew Seaman
Jerry wrote: My biggest gripe with the entire update schedule is that the ports freeze has been frozen longer than my wife. Maybe having two separate ports, one for the current version and one for the RC? version might work better. I have never fully understood why the ports had to be frozen

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-13 Thread Glen Barber
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot zszal...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, As a community, we should be ashamed of this: ``volunteer effort'' just isn't a good enough excuse - and those of us who haven't volunteered need to find out how we can help get things back on track for the

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Joe S
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: I've been biting my tongue about this because I'm not sure that I can offer any help or useful suggestions, but here goes... What on earth is going on with

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
-- From: Joe S js.li...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:20 PM To: Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Jonathan McKeown jonathan+freebsd-questi...@hst.org.za Subject: Re: Release schedules On Wed, Nov

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Robert Huff
Joe S writes: What on earth is going on with release scheduling? Two words: volunteer project I would propose to do away with the release schedule altogether, or make it very succinct; next release: when it's done. What? Isn't that the Linux kernel schedule?

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Glen Barber
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: When it's ready used to be the scheduling principle. Then came 5.0 debacle: behind schedule big-time (and arguably not ready when it went out the door). I remember discussion afterwards, where there

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Maxim Khitrov
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: When it's ready used to be the scheduling principle. Then came 5.0 debacle: behind schedule big-time (and arguably not ready when it

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Glen Barber
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion has come up countless number of times and the answer is always the same - all of us would rather wait for quality, but we'd also like some very rough timeline estimates that don't fall back into the past.

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Maxim Khitrov
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com wrote: For example, RC2 builds were scheduled for 29 September 2008. When that day comes (or same week perhaps), whoever has the ability to change the

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Joe S
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com wrote: For example, RC2 builds were scheduled for 29 September 2008. When that

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:20:12 -0800 Joe S js.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hi there, For example, RC2 builds were scheduled for 29 September 2008. When that day comes (or same week perhaps), whoever has the ability to change the release schedule page should update it regardless of what happened. If RC2 builds started, that should be reflected in the I have offered

Release schedules

2008-11-12 Thread Jonathan McKeown
I've been biting my tongue about this because I'm not sure that I can offer any help or useful suggestions, but here goes... What on earth is going on with release scheduling? FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE, according to the scheduling page at www.freebsd.org, should have had a Release Candidate

Re: Release schedules

2008-11-12 Thread cpghost
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 01:01:47PM +0100, Roland Smith wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: I've been biting my tongue about this because I'm not sure that I can offer any help or useful suggestions, but here goes... What on earth is going on with

Re: Release schedules

2008-11-12 Thread Roland Smith
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 03:13:47PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: On Wednesday 12 November 2008 14:01:47 Roland Smith wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: I've been biting my tongue about this because I'm not sure that I can offer any help or useful

Re: Release schedules

2008-11-12 Thread Robert Huff
cpghost writes: next release: when it's done. Actually, it's not so bad that the PRERELEASE phase is so long: in this time, more bugs are being fixed that would have normally been lingering in the pr database. The problem is not technical; no one has a problem with the

Re: Release schedules

2008-11-12 Thread Mel
On Wednesday 12 November 2008 11:59:24 Jonathan McKeown wrote: What exactly is going on, and is there anything a busy sysadmin, poor in time, bandwidth and C skills, can do to help with either the release itself or the apparent scheduling/communication issues? The best thing to do, is to free

Re: Release schedules

2008-11-12 Thread Jack Raats
- Original Message - From: Jonathan McKeown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: Release schedules I've been biting my tongue about this because I'm not sure that I can offer any help or useful suggestions, but here

Re: Release schedules

2008-11-12 Thread Jerry McAllister
find, that might help. Generally, more detail in the reports is better than less detail. I would like to see the release schedules updated more and I would guess that others would too. But, there is only so much you can expect out of volunteers already robbing time from their paying jobs

RE: Release schedules

2008-11-12 Thread Bob McConnell
On Behalf Of Jonathan McKeown What on earth is going on with release scheduling? Please keep in mind that the work is being done almost entirely by volunteers donating their spare time. I don't know about you, but for me, spare time is what is left over after all of my other commitments are

Re: Release schedules

2008-11-12 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hello, I would like to see the release schedules updated more and I would guess that others would too. But, there is only so much you can expect out of volunteers already robbing time from their paying jobs. I'd be happy to contribute by updating the website provided I am kept informed

Re: Release schedules

2008-11-12 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Wednesday 12 November 2008 14:01:47 Roland Smith wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: I've been biting my tongue about this because I'm not sure that I can offer any help or useful suggestions, but here goes... What on earth is going on with release

Re: Release schedules

2008-11-12 Thread Roland Smith
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: I've been biting my tongue about this because I'm not sure that I can offer any help or useful suggestions, but here goes... What on earth is going on with release scheduling? Two words: volunteer project I would propose to

RE: Release schedules

2008-11-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Now, some day we may be more fortunate, like Linux where Linus and several others are each being paid by some company or consortium just to EVERY good free software magically turns into crap when it gets heavy financing. for OSes i don't know any exceptions...

Release Schedules

2007-06-07 Thread Tom Grove
Are there release schedules for 6.3 and 7.0 up on the web somewhere? Something like: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.2R/schedule.html -Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions

Re: Release Schedules

2007-06-07 Thread Gelsema, P \(Patrick\) - FreeBSD
On Thu, June 7, 2007 17:28, Tom Grove wrote: Are there release schedules for 6.3 and 7.0 up on the web somewhere? Something like: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.2R/schedule.html http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html Patrick -Tom