On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 11:38 -0800, Charlie Kester wrote:
* Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-14 14:56:26 -0800]:
opinion But why are we interested in converting people? That
borders on religious, which an operating system should not be.
I'm not saying we don't need new users
On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 11:54 -0800, Charlie Kester wrote:
* Da Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-16 15:21:27 +1000]:
The reason for sending the OP to linux first is they will not be
deterred by the driver and hardware issues. Linux IS easier in this way,
and has a greater support for
On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 22:53 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Still it goes, the OP is trying to get away from MS-Win, not find some
non-MS clone
in EVERY such post i see exactly opposite. they want windoze clones!
they don't ask about how to learn unix, what to read, they didn't read
even
Try ReactOS- it's exactly that.
I think its a version of Wine on steroids...
does it really work - i mean all (or most at least) programs work.
can user simply put say - M$ Office CD/DVD and click setup?
if yes - they NEED MORE ADVERTISEMENT.
i will check it today on second disk. if it's
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:23:07AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Try ReactOS- it's exactly that.
I think its a version of Wine on steroids...
does it really work - i mean all (or most at least) programs work.
can user simply put say - M$ Office CD/DVD and click setup?
if yes - they NEED
Try ReactOS- it's exactly that.
well it's an alpha state now as stated on their webpage.
i wish they will finalize it withing reasonable time.
it would be great.
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ReactOS is somewhat of a joke at this point. I've personally tried it,
and I cannot see how it can be taken seriously until its cleaned up and
made much more user-friendly. There's also been some developer drama
in recent days, which literally halted the project for months on end,
and I don't
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:41:27 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
improving FreeBSD, there wouldn't be a need to convert. Build
it (and secure/stabilise it) and they will come.
Indeed, what IS the value of more users to a volunteer project like
FreeBSD?
to some level
From: Bruce Cran [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:35:02 AM
Could you point out some of those strange-but-trendy features? I tried
Ubuntu for a while on my laptop and it more or less Just Works. It
boots up quickly, detects all my devices, has accelerated 3D etc.
Now I
On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 10:23 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Try ReactOS- it's exactly that.
I think its a version of Wine on steroids...
does it really work - i mean all (or most at least) programs work.
can user simply put say - M$ Office CD/DVD and click setup?
if yes - they
On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 10:40 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
ReactOS is somewhat of a joke at this point. I've personally tried it,
and I cannot see how it can be taken seriously until its cleaned up and
made much more user-friendly. There's also been some developer drama
in recent days,
they could sell it, instead of begging for donations
If you start selling software like that, you end up just like another M
$.
of course not like that. but with total of ca 2000$ donations over 2 years
it doesn't make sense.
Me personally I don't like the software and system introduced
not mentioning linux that got just billion$ total sposoring from IBM.
Could you point out some of those strange-but-trendy features? I tried
Ubuntu for a while on my laptop and it more or less Just Works. It
very slow and badly under high load
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 16:39 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:00:23AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 11:58 +0100, peter wrote:
Dear sirs
please can you help me i am totally confused i want to
and (sometimes) from linux to FreeBSD.
But not from Windows.
Come on, lose your thickness and let the guy be free from Vista.
I DO NOT say don't free from microsoft!
you may change Toyota to Nissan, and just sit down and drive.
But you can't change windoze to unix without learning unix
no - because it's not alternative for Windows Vista.
He is trying to get out of Vista, not trying to be Vista with another name.
well this is a big difference. XP is few years less of f...ng up software
:)
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Excuse me for entering this discussin. You're completely right
in what you're saying, and I'ld like to add this:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:03:45 -0500, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, let him learn a meaningful server environment.
FreeBSD isn't a server only OS, it's versatile and
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 01:00:34PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
and (sometimes) from linux to FreeBSD.
But not from Windows.
Come on, lose your thickness and let the guy be free from Vista.
I DO NOT say don't free from microsoft!
you may change Toyota to Nissan, and just sit down
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 03:21:27PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 16:39 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:00:23AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 11:58 +0100, peter wrote:
Dear
* Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-14 14:56:26 -0800]:
opinion But why are we interested in converting people? That
borders on religious, which an operating system should not be.
I'm not saying we don't need new users -- I'm saying: if we took half
the energy used converting people
* Da Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-16 15:21:27 +1000]:
The reason for sending the OP to linux first is they will not be
deterred by the driver and hardware issues. Linux IS easier in this way,
and has a greater support for hardware that is used outside of a server
environment. It also allows
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Charlie Kester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Users can also contribute by helping to refine the requirements for
software. For example, my son is an animator and he and I have often
discussed various graphics tools. In his opinion, the Gimp is a
powerful tool
improving FreeBSD, there wouldn't be a need to convert. Build it
(and secure/stabilise it) and they will come.
Indeed, what IS the value of more users to a volunteer project like
FreeBSD?
to some level - better driver support. but
windows-converters-seeking-for-nicer-windows don't write
Interesting analogy, and your overall point makes sense. Here's a
question regarding the attitude towards moves to new software and the
expectation it behave like $OTHER_PROGRAM. Photoshop had to be learned
exactly. for experienced gimp user moving to photoshop will not be easy
too.
but
Still it goes, the OP is trying to get away from MS-Win, not find some
non-MS clone
in EVERY such post i see exactly opposite. they want windoze clones!
they don't ask about how to learn unix, what to read, they didn't read
even basic manuals, or if so - just glanced.
actually - there is a
simply reading FreeBSD handbook will be the best move for the beginning.
But it is NOT windoze replacement.
It is if you put it on the system instead of MS-Win stuff.
It will totally replace it if you use fdisk to create a FreeBSD slice
no need for slices. i don't create slices on any
* Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-16 22:41:27 +0100]:
discussion about gimp and photoshop is OFF TOPIC.
Agreed. I introduced it as an EXAMPLE of one way a new user might
contribute a valuable perspective and therefore why we might want to
recruit him into the FreeBSD community.
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:57:31PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
simply reading FreeBSD handbook will be the best move for the beginning.
But it is NOT windoze replacement.
It is if you put it on the system instead of MS-Win stuff.
It will totally replace it if you use fdisk to create a
I *do* want to see a discussion of the FreeBSD project's goals, as part
of the answer the OP's question about which platform to use instead of
Windows. The more people understand what FreeBSD's design goals are, the
better they'll be able to decide if it also meets their goals.
they can read it
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I *do* want to see a discussion of the FreeBSD project's goals, as part
of the answer the OP's question about which platform to use instead of
Windows. The more people understand what FreeBSD's design goals are, the
better they'll be able to decide if it also meets their
which are doing quite well. If accommodating a Windows user is simply
allowing for a usable desktop system, then FreeBSD works fine.
what you mean usable desktop system?
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Windows XP is an alternative
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Steven Susbauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
opinion
But why are we interested in converting people? That borders on
religious, which an operating system should not be.
exactly.
it's a good idea
Windows XP is an alternative
excellent for windows vista alternative. it is much faster (while still
slow of course), and there are fixes available that allows to use any new drivers
from vista under XP.
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On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:22:00AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
The OP asked advice on an OS alternative to Vista and asked about
FreeBSD. Telling him that FreeBSD is a good choice is not making
a religious statement. It is just answering his question in an
honest manner.
no -
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:21:04AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
opinion
But why are we interested in converting people? That borders on
religious, which an operating system should not be.
exactly.
it's a good idea to tell people about trying FreeBSD if they are already
using some
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:18:07AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
FreeBSD is a very powerful and stable system, but that said it is also
very hands on - the opposite extreme of vista which is all hands off.
This means that you will have a very steep learning curve.
simply reading FreeBSD
Dear sirs
please can you help me i am totally confused i want to change from
windows vista
but i cannot understand which system to use
i am not sure if freebsd will work with my hardware and software
kind regards
Peter
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You have to be more specific, if you need actual help
if you are not sure that FreeBSD will work with your hardware, you may
try it and see what happens For the software part: FreeBSD has a
large collection of software often refered to as ports.But again you
have to be more specific, tell
please can you help me i am totally confused i want to change from windows
vista
but i cannot understand which system to use
maybe windows XP?
i am not sure if freebsd will work with my hardware and software
simply check it.
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Wojciech Puchar wrote:
please can you help me i am totally confused i want to change from
windows vista
but i cannot understand which system to use
maybe windows XP?
i am not sure if freebsd will work with my hardware and software
simply check it.
unless you think this may be a troll,
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:19:34PM -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote:
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
please can you help me i am totally confused i want to change from
windows vista
but i cannot understand which system to use
maybe windows XP?
i am not sure if freebsd will work with my hardware
peter wrote:
Dear sirs
please can you help me i am totally confused i want to change from
windows vista
but i cannot understand which system to use
i am not sure if freebsd will work with my hardware and software
FreeBSD (or any Unix/Linux for that matter) is very different to Windows,
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 11:58 +0100, peter wrote:
Dear sirs
please can you help me i am totally confused i want to change from
windows vista
but i cannot understand which system to use
i am not sure if freebsd will work with my hardware and software
kind regards
Peter
Welcome to
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:00:23AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 11:58 +0100, peter wrote:
Dear sirs
please can you help me i am totally confused i want to change from
windows vista
but i cannot understand which system to use
i am not sure if freebsd will work
Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:00:23AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 11:58 +0100, peter wrote:
Dear sirs
please can you help me i am totally confused i want to change from
windows vista
but i cannot understand which system to use
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:19:34PM -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote:
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
please can you help me i am totally confused i want to change from
windows vista
but i cannot understand which system to use
maybe windows XP?
i am not sure if freebsd will work with my hardware and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:00:23AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 11:58 +0100, peter wrote:
Dear sirs
please can you help me i am totally confused i want to change from
windows vista
but i cannot
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 02:56:26PM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:19:34PM -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote:
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
please can you help me i am totally confused i want to change from
windows vista
but i cannot understand which system to use
maybe
simply check it.
unless you think this may be a troll,
your comments seem a great way to chase away a potential convert to FreeBSD.
indeed.
conversion from windows to unix that way is bad idea.
if you/others will help them, soon we will have another linux - windows
competitor and see
FreeBSD is a very powerful and stable system, but that said it is also
very hands on - the opposite extreme of vista which is all hands off.
This means that you will have a very steep learning curve.
simply reading FreeBSD handbook will be the best move for the beginning.
But it is NOT
opinion
But why are we interested in converting people? That borders on
religious, which an operating system should not be.
exactly.
it's a good idea to tell people about trying FreeBSD if they are already
using some flavor of unix.
One can be converted from Solaris to FreeBSD, from
The OP asked advice on an OS alternative to Vista and asked about
FreeBSD. Telling him that FreeBSD is a good choice is not making
a religious statement. It is just answering his question in an
honest manner.
no - because it's not alternative for Windows Vista.
Windows XP is an
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
opinion
But why are we interested in converting people? That borders on
religious, which an operating system should not be.
exactly.
it's a good idea to tell people about trying FreeBSD if they are already
using some flavor of unix.
One can be converted from
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