Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Actively Used Scenarios

Just what I was looking for. Thanks! Roger > On Sat, Jun 01, 2024 at 07:47:13AM +, Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user > wrote: >Actually, a book exists which is all about that question! :) > >Check out Why We Love FreeDOS available at https://freedos.org/books/ > >Sent with [Proton

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Actively Used Scenarios

Actually, a book exists which is all about that question! :) Check out Why We Love FreeDOS available at https://freedos.org/books/ Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email. On Saturday, June 1st, 2024 at 2:51 AM, Roger via Freedos-user freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:

Re: [Freedos-user] dos navigator

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 8:31 PM Travis Siegel via Freedos-user wrote: > > I found my copy of PTS DOS Source, and was digging through them to see > some of the differences between that and opendos, for which I also have > the sources, and I ran across the dos navigator menuing system (at least >

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS diagnostic tools?

On 5/18/2024 3:56 PM, tsiegel--- via Freedos-user wrote: Does spinright still have a dos version of their software posted anywhere? I seem to recall, that was a really good utility.  I unfortunately never had the money to purchase it, and I gave up on Norton Utilities after paying 50 bucks

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS diagnostic tools?

Version 6.1(?) now boots USFI(?). previous versions booted FreeDOS to run SpinEite.Please see www.grc.comThis clown speaks for himselfOn May 19, 2024, at 8:30 AM, tsiegel--- via Freedos-user wrote: Yep, that's the one. On 5/19/2024 2:54 AM, Omar Yabar via

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS diagnostic tools?

Yep, that's the one. On 5/19/2024 2:54 AM, Omar Yabar via Freedos-user wrote: Do you mean Spinrite? in this link there are 5 versions https://winworldpc.com/product/spinrite/1x Yahoo Mail: busca, organiza, toma el control de tu buzón

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS diagnostic tools?

Do you mean Spinrite? in this link there are 5 versions  https://winworldpc.com/product/spinrite/1x Yahoo Mail: busca, organiza, toma el control de tu buzón El sáb., 18 de may. de 2024 a la(s) 9:15 p. m., tsiegel--- via Freedos-user escribió:

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS diagnostic tools?

hmm, let me see if I can find the edition suggested by an engineer friend of mine for the person who built this last machine. Karen On Sat, 18 May 2024, tsiegel--- via Freedos-user wrote: Does spinright still have a dos version of their software posted anywhere? I seem to recall, that was a

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS diagnostic tools?

Does spinright still have a dos version of their software posted anywhere? I seem to recall, that was a really good utility.  I unfortunately never had the money to purchase it, and I gave up on Norton Utilities after paying 50 bucks more for the advanced version of 4.5, then got the same

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS diagnostic tools?

Hi everybody: Other suggestions: https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk http://www.partition-saving.com/ En miércoles, 15 de mayo de 2024, 03:46:41 CEST, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user escribió: Eric, While I will work through this list of course, you would need to reach the

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS diagnostic tools?

Eric, While I will work through this list of course, you would need to reach the part of that Wikipedia article that talks of Norton 8, I honestly did not even start using a computer until 1989, and did not own a copy of Norton Utilities until after 200 at the earliest. I used it as an

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS diagnostic tools?

Hi Karen, the utilities recommended by Rober To sound useful: HDAT2 harddisk repair and diagnostics ATA, ATAPI, SATA, USB, SCSI ASTRA Advanced Sysinfo Tool and Reporting Assistant HWiNFO system information, monitoring and diagnostics Do you recall the items in norton utilities? There is

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS diagnostic tools?

Hi Eric, Do you recall the items in norton utilities? If not, I can post a list of the various tools? I am hoping for a collection of options if that resonates. Norton for example lets you create a repair boot disc, which would be a fine start. that disc then had items to check your hard drive

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS diagnostic tools?

Hi, some ideas: HDAT2/CBL Hard Disk Repair Utility | | | | HDAT2/CBL Hard Disk Repair Utility HDAT2 is program for test or diagnostics of ATA/ATAPI/SATA, SSD, USB and SCSI devices. | | | ASTRA - Advanced Sysinfo Tool and Reporting Assistant | | | | | | | | | | | ASTRA

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS diagnostic tools?

Hi Karen, please specify the type of diagnostics you would be interested in. For example PCISLEEP can give you a list of PCI devices in your PC, but you seem to be interested in disk or filesystem analysis etc.? Maybe tools which display the SMART health status of your disks? I remember having

Re: [Freedos-user] dos navigator

On Wed, 8 May 2024, Daniel Essin via Freedos-user wrote: Try it in a VM Yeah, I would, but that's not really an option for me. On 5/8/24 6:21 PM, Travis Siegel via Freedos-user wrote: I found my copy of PTS DOS Source, and was digging through them to see some of the differences between

Re: [Freedos-user] dos navigator

Try it in a VM On 5/8/24 6:21 PM, Travis Siegel via Freedos-user wrote: I found my copy of PTS DOS Source, and was digging through them to see some of the differences between that and opendos, for which I also have the sources, and I ran across the dos navigator menuing system (at least I'm

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS based mail clients

Bret Johnson said: > The second difference is that IMAP is designed > to be used in a client-server configuration where > the e-mails stay stored on the server... But they also remain in the server if the POP3 client does not send the DELE command.

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Mode - My Two Cente

DOS can have. GUI like Linux with things like Windows 3.x, or even the Windows 95/98 were on top of a DOS system. On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, 03:26 tsiegel--- via Freedos-user, < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Only one correction. > > Windows and MacOSX are certainly graphical by default,

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Mode - My Two Cente

Only one correction. Windows and MacOSX are certainly graphical by default, though both have text terminals very similar to the dos prompt. On the other hand, Linux, bsd, and other unix versions are also text interfaces by default.  If you don't install a windows manager (such as gnome),

Re: [Freedos-user] Dos

I had FreeDOS running on a ThinkPad 701C, which used a 486 CPU. NJB On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 04:31:40PM -0500, Jim Hall via Freedos-user wrote: > On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 5:14 PM Rahim Fakir via Freedos-user > wrote: > > > > Whats The main Diference between freedos and dos. > > Which

Re: [Freedos-user] Dos

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 5:14 PM Rahim Fakir via Freedos-user wrote: > > Whats The main Diference between freedos and dos. > Which os The best, dos freedos runs a 486? As Bryan said, FreeDOS is a more modern version of DOS. Also, FreeDOS is open source software. Very early versions of MS-DOS

Re: [Freedos-user] Dos

Hi Rahim: Whats The main Diference between freedos and dos. FreeDOS is more modernised, with extended functions. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS and PDFs (Was Re: Update wiki info on installing ftp on a virualbox guest?

There is Acrobat Reader 1.0 for MSDOS but it does not support modern PDF format. I'm sure it has evolved so much that none of the current PDFs work with it anyway. It's available though on winworldpc for download and check. If that doesn't work then I assume porting some open source to DOS is the

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

Hi, Ok sorry, got the reply later, and also the opinion I would vote for. Aitor On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 05:13, Jon Brase wrote: > >Apr 14, 2021 2:00:05 PM Ralf Quint : > > >And I stand by my comments that none of Windows 9x/ME is "running on > DOS". I don't have the time right now to provide

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

Hi Ralf, On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 19:11, Ralf Quint wrote: > On 4/14/2021 8:54 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > > >> Reality is, Windows 95 dos and Windows 98SE DOS is not really dos per > se > > Wrong. > Actually, in that part, Michael was correct. And as people like you seem > to pushing that old

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS music creation software?

Hi Rugxulo, > What about a so-called "tracker"? > > * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_tracker > > Here's a few links that I found (off the top of my head): > > * https://hornet.org/music/programs/trackers/scrmt321.zip > * https://hornet.org/music/contests/mc6/files/it214p3.zip > *

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS music creation software?

Hello! If the pc speaker is alright with you, try Piano Man by Neil J. Rubenking. Best, Felix Am Do., 1. Sept. 2022 um 08:19 Uhr schrieb Mart Zirnask : > > Not sure about the keyboard part, but there was also Sound Club, an > early 90s sound editor by Skype founders Jaan Tallinn and Ahti Heinla:

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS music creation software?

Not sure about the keyboard part, but there was also Sound Club, an early 90s sound editor by Skype founders Jaan Tallinn and Ahti Heinla: http://bluemoon.ee/history/scdos/index.html Some music made with Sound Club: http://digitiger.byethost7.com/sclub.htm?i=1 Some more details -- apparently it

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS music creation software?

thanks for all those prospects. Perhaps I should not have used the gaming concept as a framer, figuring there were no musicians here. My goal is to use my computer keyboard as a music one in pure DOS. I have found a copy of cakewalk for DOS, but still appreciate your options too. Karen

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS music creation software?

Hi again, On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:46 PM Rugxulo wrote: > > What about a so-called "tracker"? > > * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_tracker > > Here's a few links that I found (off the top of my head): I forgot about Dr. Track: *

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS music creation software?

Hi, On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 11:45 AM Karen Lewellen wrote: > > I use dos, google has removed access to YouTube for low graphics browsers. > If you have an answer, care to share? The YouTube link just shows "Sound Blaster Pro Intelligent Organ" (Creative Technology, 1991). What about a

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS music creation software?

I use dos, google has removed access to YouTube for low graphics browsers. If you have an answer, care to share? On Tue, 30 Aug 2022, Bj??rn Morell wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAt1rWF-kqE Den 2022-08-30 kl. 12:02, skrev Karen Lewellen: with all of the vintage gaming hinted at

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS music creation software?

I have this Digidesign SampleCell II card hardware ISA sampler for PC. Does anyone have any experience with it? Some software? I would like to connect it to MPC Studio (hardware + software on another PC) On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 1:03 PM Björn Morell wrote: >

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS music creation software?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAt1rWF-kqE Den 2022-08-30 kl. 12:02, skrev Karen Lewellen: with all of the vintage gaming hinted at here, was wondering if anyone knows of a simple pure DOS program that in theory allows one to treat their computer keyboard like a music one? Need not tap dance

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

Hello, On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 01:28, Rugxulo wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 5:53 PM Aitor Santamaría > wrote: > > > > On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 00:00, Rugxulo wrote: > >> > >> I can send you my local copy (or show you how to get it) of the 3.2.2 > >> cross-compiler (i8086-msdos) that

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

On 7/7/2022 2:58 PM, Rugxulo wrote: DeSmet C and IA16-ELF (GCC) both work fairly well (but not necessarily every memory model). * http://desmet-c.com/ DeSmet C has only 2 memory models (small and large, the later from v3.x onwards)  and is also using its own object file format and thus

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

Hi, On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 5:53 PM Aitor Santamaría wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 00:00, Rugxulo wrote: >> >> I can send you my local copy (or show you how to get it) of the 3.2.2 >> cross-compiler (i8086-msdos) that works under latest HX pre-releases. >> It has a built-in assembler and

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

Hello, On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 00:00, Rugxulo wrote: > > > - Assembler - there is NASM, not compatible with MASM/WASM. I guess > there is still (J)WASM as > > alternative, as I assume that MASM/TASM haven't been neither open > sourced nor actively maintained. > > Strictly speaking, OpenWatcom

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

On 7/7/2022 9:59 AM, C. Masloch wrote: On at 2022-07-07 09:39 -0700, Ralf Quint wrote: Similar with NASM, where for some weird reasons, they made the assembler case-sensitive, which I would consider utter nonsense (also among my griefs with C(++)). And it really bites you if you are trying to

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

Hi, On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 12:50 PM Aitor Santamaría wrote: > > I haven't been following much of what happens with the different assemblers > these days, but my idea is > that the same thing as with C or Pascal happens: as much as TASM or MASM are > nice products, there > are hardly open

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

Hello, I haven't been following much of what happens with the different assemblers these days, but my idea is that the same thing as with C or Pascal happens: as much as TASM or MASM are nice products, there are hardly open source actively maintained products that are compatible with them, and

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

On at 2022-07-07 09:39 -0700, Ralf Quint wrote: Similar with NASM, where for some weird reasons, they made the assembler case-sensitive, which I would consider utter nonsense (also among my griefs with C(++)). And it really bites you if you are trying to link assembler modules with other

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

On 7/2/2022 10:37 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: Masm, Tasm, and others all have their own syntax which confuses me more than helping. Well, that is not quite correct. And it would be obvious if you did x86 assembler in the early '80s. MASM (and basically TASM (as in Borland Turbo Assembler)) is

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

> What i don't like about A86 is that allows you to do stuff that is > actually "forbidden". > > For instance, from what i remember, A86 allows you to do something > like: > > MOV ES, B800h > > This is absolutely not supported by the CPU, and you need to use a > general purpose register to move a

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

Hi, On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 12:59 PM Carlos Teixeira wrote: > > What i don't like about A86 is that allows you to do stuff that is actually > "forbidden". I believe A86 intends to be "mostly" compatible with old MASM v5, but it does have some shortcuts and enhancements. > For instance, from

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

What i don't like about A86 is that allows you to do stuff that is actually "forbidden". For instance, from what i remember, A86 allows you to do something like: MOV ES, B800h This is absolutely not supported by the CPU, and you need to use a general purpose register to move a value onto a

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

Santiago Almenara: > What book or webpage do you recommend to learn some DOS > assembler? At https://freeshell.de/~antonius/file_host/MSDOSASM.zip I have some books that you may find of use: 1. Advanced MS-DOS Programming, by Ray Duncan 2. Programmer's Technical Reference for MSDOS and

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

Hi, On Sun, Jul 3, 2022 at 9:39 AM Bret Johnson wrote: > > > Interestingly enough, I also bought a86/D86, and have found it to be > > the best assembler/disassembler I've ever found for dos. I ran > > across it after (mostly) trying to use debug for things, so it was a > > welcome relief. > > I

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

> Interestingly enough, I also bought a86/D86, and have found it to be > the best assembler/disassembler I've ever found for dos.  I ran > across it after (mostly) trying to use debug for things, so it was a > welcome relief. I still like A86/A386 also, but like I said my programs are getting so

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Fonts

Hi, On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 12:32 PM Daniel wrote: > > Is anyone familiar with how DOS fonts work? > > There are some .com files that will change the original font with another and > ya can create your own. I created a TI-99/4aA font to use. > > So how does it work? Is the hardware font

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM Resources

) >> >> -------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 13:12:03 + >> From: Ben Collver >> To: "freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net" >> >> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] D

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

Thank you for the answers. I've been following all the links you've sent I'll also follow the advice and try to understand some project like DOSLFN. (source code is only 220k) Santiago El jue, 30 jun 2022 a la(s) 13:19, C. Masloch (pus...@ulukai.org) escribió: > On at 2022-06-30 10:00 -0500,

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

Interestingly enough, I also bought a86/D86, and have found it to be the best assembler/disassembler I've ever found for dos.  I ran across it after (mostly) trying to use debug for things, so it was a welcome relief.  I still use it when working on dos things, which admittedly isn't very

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

I made a mistake pasting a URL into my last post. OLD: http://ref.x86asm.net/coder32.htmlhttp://www.eji.com/a86/ NEW: http://ref.x86asm.net/coder32.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

...somehow those two URL's got fused together: http://ref.x86asm.net/coder32.html http://www.eji.com/a86/ Frank On 2 Jul 2022 at 15:08, Bryan Kilgallin wrote: > Ben: > > > http://ref.x86asm.net/coder32.htmlhttp://www.eji.com/a86/ > > {Not Found > > The requested URL was not found on this

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

Ben: http://ref.x86asm.net/coder32.htmlhttp://www.eji.com/a86/ {Not Found The requested URL was not found on this server.} -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

Santiago: I agree pretty much with ECM. The best way to learn is to look at the code someone else has written and try to understand it. Unfortunately, most ASM coders aren't very good at comments/documentation, and you really need the comments to help you figure things out. Looking at

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

PCGPE and the VLA Tutorials. http://bespin.org/~qz/pc-gpe/ On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 11:19 AM C. Masloch wrote: > On at 2022-06-30 10:00 -0500, Santiago Almenara wrote: > > Hello! > > > > What book or webpage do you recommend to learn some DOS assembler? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Santiago

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

I learned DOS asm from the following book, recommended by a friend. Using Assembly Language by Allen Wyatt, published by Que At that time i preferred to use the a86 assembler. http://www.eji.com/a86/ Below is a link to PC Assembly Language by Paul Carter:

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources

On at 2022-06-30 10:00 -0500, Santiago Almenara wrote: Hello! What book or webpage do you recommend to learn some DOS assembler? Thanks in advance Santiago I learned primarily using these methods: 1. Read existing code and try to understand it. Even better, start with higher-level

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Fonts

Like Aitor mentioned there are some basic tools for it. (Like GNU and Display) Also, there are some others. V8PowerTools VFONT.COM can load the normal raster fonts (like GNU load font) temporarily. When the video mode is reset (or changed) the fonts will revert back to their previous state.

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Fonts

Hello, The graphic card maintains information of how character glyphs are made out of their character code. Basically it is limited to being able to represent just 256 characters together at a time (there is a trick to double this to 512, but doesn't make a difference here). Each of such

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Fonts

On 6/15/2022 10:30 AM, Daniel wrote: Is anyone familiar with how DOS fonts work? There are some .com files that will change the original font with another and ya can create your own.  I created a TI-99/4aA font to use. So how does it work?  Is the hardware font cached and the cache is

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Related source code

On 5/20/2021 11:34 AM, Tomas By wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2021 20:17:55 +0200, Ralf Quint wrote: Also vetusware.com, winworldpc.com None of those do actually have any DOS "SOURCE CODE"... Hmm, ok, but was that really what OP meant? "DOS related source code" is rather unambiguous IMHO, referring

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Related source code

> Also, to be pedantic, I found e.g. the Microsoft C compiler > on Vetusware, and it has quite a bit of example code. Note that vetusware is about abandonware, so you will also find things with questionable licenses there. Which is of course not recommended in FreeDOS context. Eric

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Related source code

On Thu, 20 May 2021 20:17:55 +0200, Ralf Quint wrote: > > Also vetusware.com, winworldpc.com > > None of those do actually have any DOS "SOURCE CODE"... Hmm, ok, but was that really what OP meant? Also, to be pedantic, I found e.g. the Microsoft C compiler on Vetusware, and it has quite a bit

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Related source code

On 5/20/2021 10:23 AM, Tomas By wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:16:11 +0200, Eric Auer wrote: Are there any good lists of DOS software available (or that used to be available)? I guess you mean commercial software, not just this? Or at least shareware, freeware etc.? All old stuff? [...] Also

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Related source code

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:16:11 +0200, Eric Auer wrote: > > Are there any good lists of DOS software available > > (or that used to be available)? > > I guess you mean commercial software, not just this? > Or at least shareware, freeware etc.? All old stuff? [...] Also vetusware.com,

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Related source code

Hi Martin, > Are there any good lists of DOS software available > (or that used to be available)? I guess you mean commercial software, not just this? Or at least shareware, freeware etc.? All old stuff? https://gitlab.com/FDOS Or the up to 20 GB (?) here:

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

On 29 Apr 2021 at 22:32, Adam Nielsen via Freedos-user wrote: > > Thanks for the NUC warning, but Win98 actually will switch from BIOS > > to built-in drivers which are likely not able to cope with new > > chips. > > That's what I thought too, but I figured it would at least run in >

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

Speaking of nice vs. less complete VESA BIOS ROM's, I've known Intel for not having a full set of VESA modes since their first integrated graphics adaptors (not sure if 810/815, but 845 and afterwards certainly) - namely, 16-color indexed VESA graphics modes were missing (anything with 4 bits

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

speaking of „form factor“ I have to look at the „price factor“, too. The Spectra.at Board-Set, Mini-ITX H110 159315 comes EUR 769,- / Stk. (+ tax!!), delivery time 2-3 weeks… (an no housing…) > Am 29.04.2021 um 12:41 schrieb Adam Nielsen via Freedos-user > : > >>> ...the board format

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

Hi Adam, while the ability to provide ISA-like DMA for PCI (e.g. sound cards) or PCIe basically vanished at least 10 years ago, I am less pessimistic about BIOS services. Can you give specific examples of too stripped down BIOSes in recent mainboards? Wikipedia sounds more as if it took until

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

> > ...the board format does not matter much. > > It's the CPU model/generation that matters. > > NOT. AT. ALL. > > each Intel/AMD CPU produced the last 20 years is able > to execute the same way that the previous versions did. If it doesn't matter "at all" then where can I get a modern CPU

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

On 28 Apr 2021 at 23:24, tom ehlert wrote: > > > ...the board format does not matter much. > > It's the CPU model/generation that matters. > > NOT. AT. ALL. > > each Intel/AMD CPU produced the last 20 years is able > to execute the same way that the previous versions did. > ...okay, apologies,

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

April 29, 2021 11:31 AM, "Eric Auer" wrote: > Hi! > >> There are PCEngines ALIX boards (AMD Geode) with VGA out, one >> minipci slot. They are known to run FreeDOS. You probably >> have to install it with PXE because there's no floppy or >> CDROM drive. > > According to

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

Hi! > There are PCEngines ALIX boards (AMD Geode) with VGA out, one > minipci slot. They are known to run FreeDOS. You probably > have to install it with PXE because there's no floppy or > CDROM drive. According to https://www.pcengines.ch/alix.htm they are end of life and those few with VGA

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

April 29, 2021 12:06 AM, "Eric Auer" wrote: > So I would like to hear whether single board > computers in similar size and price (not PC/104 > price level) with x86 compatible CPU exist and > which of them can be recommended by people here. There are PCEngines ALIX boards (AMD Geode) with VGA

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

Phil’s Computer Lab has covered lots of DOS compatible Thin Clients. I personally have 5 fanless HP t5745. Atom N280 (single core, dual thread) CPUs, mine have 1GB-4GB RAM, 2GB IDE DOM, 10/100/1000 Ethernet by Broadcom, serial port, PS/2 ports, Intel GL40 VGA & DisplayPort, will USB boot

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

Hi Tom, >> ...the board format does not matter much. >> It's the CPU model/generation that matters. > > NOT. AT. ALL. > > each Intel/AMD CPU produced the last 20 years is able > to execute the same way that the previous versions did. The point is that everything which is remotely similar to a

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

tom ehlert composed on 2021-04-28 23:24 (UTC+0200): > However some one (Microsoft?) has announced that from now on > 'modern' firmware needs no longer to provide 'BIOS' support Intel, but I'm not sure "needs" was the

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

> ...the board format does not matter much. > It's the CPU model/generation that matters. NOT. AT. ALL. each Intel/AMD CPU produced the last 20 years is able to execute the same way that the previous versions did. (with the exception that there might be CPU sepcific microcode updates

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

Ah, thanks, Frank. I don’t need sound, I actually don’t WANT sound ;) (and no fans) Th. > On Wed,20210428- week17, at 22:55, Frantisek Rysanek > wrote: > > ...the board format does not matter much. > It's the CPU model/generation that matters. > For your practical purposes, those Pico-ITX

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?

ooh sorry, my link was the wrong one: I ment thinks like these: https://www.spectra-austria.at/produkte/ipc-komponenten/industrielle-pc-boards/pico-itx/ t > Am 28.04.2021 um 17:30 schrieb Thomas Desi :

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS word processors / text editors

Hi John, err… you might be right about this. I will have a look at it, too. I don’t actually care so much about keybindings, because I »program« them into my Tipro 128 PS/2 keyboard (»128« means 128 keys available to program whatever I want…!), so I have custom made keycaps labelled the

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

Liam Proven composed on 2021-04-16 06:16 (UTC-0400): > I run openSUSE Tumbleweed on my machine in the office. I have been > working from home for over a year now. I think that when I finally > return to the office, it will be easier to reformat the machine and > start over than to update a

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 21:57, Jon Brase wrote: I mostly agree with you. I would perhaps quibble with some details. > Nope, I meant CPU. You start out with an unprotected CPU architecture like > the 8086. The OS is basically just a set of hardware access libraries that > applications can use

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 18:50, Harald Arnesen wrote: > > I would try Void Linux and Alpine Linux on such hardware. Good points. Thanks for the tips -- to be honest I did not know they supported x86-32. I have tried both before, but only in VMs. Void Linux I quite liked: very simple and clean,

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

Apr 15, 2021 1:10:25 PM tom ehlert : >you probably meant 'OS architecture' (not CPU). Nope, I meant CPU. You start out with an unprotected CPU architecture like the 8086. The OS is basically just a set of hardware access libraries that applications can use or not as they wish (as they have

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

> I will note that Windows 95 *could* use DOS drivers. I/O > performance suffered horribly since DOS drivers weren't thread safe, > but there was a copy of DOS in the system VM for this purpose, even > if it had nothing to do under normal circumstances. > But to some degree this is a

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS word processors / text editors

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 7:58 AM Thomas Desi wrote: > > Hi John, > thanks for your experience account and software list. > I am intrigued - as »collecting« word processors/text editors in the "quest > for the best« - I managed to find > the following. >

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

Liam Proven [15.04.2021 16:34]: > On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 14:49, Jerome Shidel wrote: >> >> A while back, I was looking for a distro that still actively supported >> 32-bit hardware. Most mainstream distros have >> moved to 64-bit only. However, out of the ones I’ve tried that still do >>

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS word processors / text editors

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 14:58, Thomas Desi wrote: > > Hi John, > thanks for your experience account and software list. > I am intrigued - as »collecting« word processors/text editors in the "quest > for the best« - I managed to find > the following. >

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS word processors / text editors

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 8:58 AM Thomas Desi wrote: > > Hi John, > thanks for your experience account and software list. > I am intrigued - as »collecting« word processors/text editors in the "quest > for the best« - I managed to find > the following. >

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 14:49, Jerome Shidel wrote: > > A while back, I was looking for a distro that still actively supported 32-bit > hardware. Most mainstream distros have > moved to 64-bit only. However, out of the ones I’ve tried that still do > 32-bit, most seem sluggish at best.

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

I primarily use openSUSE and CentOS. But for a Live CD linux, I recommend checking out one that isn’t even in the top 100 on the distrowatch list. A while back, I was looking for a distro that still actively supported 32-bit hardware. Most mainstream distros have moved to 64-bit only.

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

Hei, Thomas: On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 05:54:35PM +0200, Thomas Desi wrote: thanks, Tomas, I will go the path you suggest. Any particular Linux flavor you suggest for this? (I would go for a „comand line interface“ only.) You could use any Live CD (or USB) Linux distro, preferably one that

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

Hi Felix, The "usual distro" of the day would be Ubuntu, with MINT being a spin-off and with lightweight variants such as Xubuntu or Lubuntu which default to install less heavy graphical things than the normal Ubuntu. MATE also is just yet another variant. https://distrowatch.com/ has a

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

>Apr 14, 2021 2:00:05 PM Ralf Quint : >And I stand by my comments that none of Windows 9x/ME is "running on DOS". I >don't have the time right now to provide the detailed proof for that, but just >look at the addresses of some of the DOS services before the booting of the >Windows 9x GUI and

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