Re: [Fsf-Debian] Silent here

2012-11-23 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi Paul, Le mercredi, 21 novembre 2012 14.39:02, Paul van der Vlis a écrit : Very silent here. In my opinion it's not a good idea to make Debian FSF-free at the moment. But what we should do is to make Debian almost FSF-free and make some steps in the good direction. In my opinion we

Re: [Fsf-Debian] Silent here

2012-11-23 Thread Mason Loring Bliss
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 03:22:55PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of works that do not conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We have created contrib and non-free areas in our archive for these

Re: [Fsf-Debian] Silent here

2012-11-23 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Hi Didier, Op 23-11-12 15:22, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud schreef: Hi Paul, Le mercredi, 21 novembre 2012 14.39:02, Paul van der Vlis a écrit : Very silent here. In my opinion it's not a good idea to make Debian FSF-free at the moment. But what we should do is to make Debian almost FSF-free and

Re: [Fsf-Debian] Silent here

2012-11-23 Thread Bryan Baldwin
On 11/24/12 05:03, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: An amusing comparison may be drawn between the FSF's rejection of four-clause BSD licenses and the FSF's support of invariant sections in the GFDL. Documentation is not software. I wouldn't be surprised to find differences when comparing licenses

Re: [Fsf-Debian] Silent here

2012-11-23 Thread Mason Loring Bliss
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 09:18:33AM +1300, Bryan Baldwin angrily pronouced: Documentation is not software. They are one and the same. Software is documentation and vice versa. The machinery upon which they run is what varies here. Applying one to the other shows profound lack of thought and

Re: [Fsf-Debian] Silent here

2012-11-23 Thread Jason Self
Michael Gilbert said: Correction: specific guidance. Even if there may be other things that might be needed for FSF endorsement, it seems that removing references to non-free software from package control files and updating the website et al [0] is both specific and provides a good place to

Re: [Fsf-Debian] Silent here

2012-11-23 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
On 23/11/12 10:38, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: [...] As for these non-Debian pieces existing on the same hardware - the FSF recommends and distributes Trisquel, a Debian rebranding at one remove, and yet, if you take a cursory glance at at the places where Trisquel may be downloaded, you will

Re: [Fsf-Debian] Silent here

2012-11-23 Thread Jason Self
Quiliro Ordóñez said: Please report that as a bug. Any non-free software that is included on an FSF-approved distro is considered a critical bug. I think they're perhaps referring to mirrors that also distribute other things. Notice that the statement was very carefully worded to say at the

Re: [Fsf-Debian] Silent here

2012-11-23 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Jason Self wrote: Michael Gilbert said: Correction: specific guidance. Even if there may be other things that might be needed for FSF endorsement, it seems that removing references to non-free software from package control files and updating the website et

Re: [Fsf-Debian] Silent here

2012-11-23 Thread Mason Loring Bliss
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 05:59:48PM -0500, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote: Please report that as a bug. Any non-free software that is included on an FSF-approved distro is considered a critical bug. It's not included as a part of Trisquel, but alongside it on the same hardware, which is a sticking point

Re: [Fsf-Debian] Silent here

2012-11-23 Thread Jason Self
Mason Loring Bliss said: It's not included as a part of Trisquel, but alongside it on the same hardware. Can you point to a concrete example? The only one I can think of would be mirrors that also mirror other GNU/Linux distributions, thereby picking up the non-free software from those other