[Gendergap] Women in free software culture in India

2013-05-12 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
http://wfs-india.dreamwidth.org/ There's a new let's-do-stuff-together group working to promote free software and free culture among women in India. Feel free to check out that page for more. It looks like they're working to hold an event on 20 May, in case you want to find out more or help! --

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Russavia
Erik, et al Just a heads up that I have responded to your question at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Russavia#Evidence_of_consent I invite all gender gap list members to come to Commons to read what is written, and get involved. Cheers, Russavia On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM,

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Here is an example of a recent deletion request that was closed as Keep. (While the image is not safe for work, the following link to the deletion discussion is. The deletion discussion does not show the image, only a link to it.)

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Russavia
You may argue for all of the below on the project, and involve the community-at-large. But you should know, that much of what you describe below is covered by http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Personality. If there are refinements that could be made, can I suggest you stop talking on

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Russavia
Hey Fluff, Indeed we did have a conversation on IRC the other day. You and I may not agree on numerous things, and in many instances we have very similar views (but perhaps you just aren't aware of it), but one thing we surely can agree on is that by only commenting on this list is not having

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Katherine Casey
Alas no, I'm not up to your challenge. I'm subject to quite enough aggression and strange sexualization of situations on enwp; I don't have the energy to dive headfirst into an even worse atmosphere of those things on Commons. I'm much more comfortable speaking here, in an environment of respect

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Oliver Keyes
More seriously; the idea that someone either volunteers themselves to enter an environment they find disturbing and uncomfortable, or they're actively contributing to it being disturbing and uncomfortable, is (frankly) bullshit. Katherine is not responsible for the failure of Commons to produce

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Russavia
And I see that you are just as active (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ironholds) so you are obviously talking as a result of long-term experience. It goes back to my response to Erik, that it is easier to sit back and be negative, than it is to get involved. In terms of

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.comwrote: And I see that you are just as active (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ironholds) so you are obviously talking as a result of long-term experience. When I say that shaming is bad? Why, yes.

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Alison Cassidy
I feel *exactly* the same way, and I'm a Commons admin :( This speaks for me, too. -- Allie On May 12, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Katherine Casey fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com wrote: Alas no, I'm not up to your challenge. I'm subject to quite enough aggression and strange sexualization of situations

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Oliver Keyes
Quite honestly, is it any wonder when people make such statements that editors from Commons basically ignore them, and don't bother responding -- much like the weekly Commons is broken threads we see elsewhere...you know the ones I am talking about. I would suggest that if you have a weekly

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Russavia
Indeed, we could have a twice or thrice daily thread on English Wikipedia about that very project, couldn't we? On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:59 AM, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: Quite honestly, is it any wonder when people make such statements that editors from Commons basically

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Russavia
And of course I love how you skirted the issue of your statement that Commons produces nothing beyond photos of genitals. I'll be waiting for your numbers of how many genitals files are on Commons, out of the 17 million files in total we have. I'm having a guess here; perhaps 3,000? Maybe 5,000.

[Gendergap] Accidental Troll Policy - beyond gender gap

2013-05-12 Thread Sylvia Ventura
Hi Theo, thank you for documenting my experience on meta, clearly a rookie mistake on my part, I hadn't revisited that page since and just now saw Sarah S note. I'm not giving up but I'm still figuring out the best way/area to contribute. I'll definitely reach out for guidance in navigating WMF

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Pete Forsyth
I have to say I share Russavia's bafflement around this issue. The accomplishments people have made on the platform of Wikimedia Commons are, in my view, staggering. Just this morning, a couple Wikipedian friends told me about the photography of JJ Harrison, somebody who has uploaded an

Re: [Gendergap] Accidental Troll Policy - beyond gender gap

2013-05-12 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Sylvia Ventura sylvia.vent...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Theo, thank you for documenting my experience on meta, clearly a rookie mistake on my part, I hadn't revisited that page since and just now saw Sarah S note. I'm not giving up but I'm still figuring out the best

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Pete, The other day, Daniel Case referred on Commons to Commons' failure as a community to formulate a clear policy about posting identifiable nudes in private places without any indication as to whether they have consented to publication of those images under a licensing scheme that allows for

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I'll gladly pass your comment on, Russavia. How should the attribution read? At present it reads, Which way? Bernard Gagnon/Wikimedia Commons GNU Free Documentation License http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/1106/From-a-distance-Syria-feels-like-Iraq-in-2004 On Mon, May 13, 2013

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Pete, snip Yet now, faced with those horrible things that happen on our site all the time, and which come up time and again in gender gap discussions, you want to send us bird-watching and tell us about all the

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Russavia
Hi Pete, et al On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: You know what other sites are riddled with copyright violations? YouTube, Flickr, Facebook. None of those sites have a community of people working to keep copyright violations off; Commons does. They're

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-12 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Ryan Kaldari, 08/05/2013 07:09: On 5/7/13 9:57 AM, Russavia wrote: Frankly, I don't know why this is a feminist issue; rather than an issue of common sense. Agreed. I often find it is counter-productive to frame these sort of debates in terms of feminism/sexism/etc. [...] Sure. I'm not