Hi Moriel and others,
Do you have a list of realistic changes in mind for the community?
I hear almost no one say that the typical state of (in)civility on wiki or
on Wikimedia-l is good enough or that people are being hypersensitive, so I
get the sense that there's a lot of agreement that we
Actually that wasn't too bad a closing reply, since too often real
complaints are just ignored and there is no close.
Also, the good news is that *if* someone on wikipedia had linked to that
article and said that Sue Gardner is not good like this article says
blah blah, there might be some
Hello,
Would anyone coming to Wikimania like to volunteer to host a meetup for
WikiWomen? I think this has happened at most Wikimanias, but nobody has set
one up for the coming one yet.
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetups
*Edward Saperia*
Conference Director Wikimania London
Traditionally it has been a WikiWomen's lunch, and we generally like to
have a dedicated space at the conference for it. Ellie tells me she's
looking into a room at the venue - I'd suggested lunchtime on Sunday August
10th, right before the gender workshops begin.
Is a meetup page the expected
Our current IEG grantee for research on female editing, Mssemantics (Amanda),
may have something to say, although she may want to wait until she feels she
has adequate data from her research.
In any case, I'm going to encourage Mssemantics to participate on the
discussion on this list or at
I think that'd be the easiest way to insert into the process for us.
We can do it any time of day - just state any preferences on the meetup
page and we'll do our best to find an appropriate space.
*Edward Saperia*
Conference Director Wikimania London http://www.wikimanialondon.org
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On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Valerie Aurora
vale...@adainitiative.org wrote:
and our mailing lists
were more enjoyable and fulfilling for men looking for emotional
boosts than for women looking for a supportive environment where they
could talk about Linux.
Do you have a study backing
On 7/3/2014 1:40 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
The problem on en.wiki at least is that a vocal minority effectively
prevent any enforcement of the civility policy.
The other problem is double standard enforcement. A bunch of guys may
complain about mild incivility by a female and she'll get
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Carol Moore dc
carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/3/2014 1:40 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
The problem on en.wiki at least is that a vocal minority effectively
prevent any enforcement of the civility policy.
The other problem is double standard enforcement. A
Even if it is an en-wiki only issue, it's having a clear impact on
editor retention and therefore the long-term sustainability of the
project. I think trying to fix that is easy to dismiss as
micromanagement but sometimes it turns out that fixing the big
picture /does/ require organizational
There was an attempt to address the civility problem on Wikipedia English
with a top down approach at the very start of Sue Gardner's time at WMF.
Sue, Jimmy Wales, myself, and a group of half dozen other people talked
about it in a closed group. It failed because a top down approach is not
Dear Val,
I've now read and reread your message (quoted below) several times, and
want to thank you for putting this important concept in such clear and
tangible terms.
I have just one thing to add:
It seems to me that this points to a broader issue that's deeply connected
with the social
Daniel and Elizabeth Case wrote:
A major problem with our dispute-resolution processes is that the person being
harassed has to endure more harassment to
draw attention to the problem.
This is, of course, hardly unique to Wikipedia or even online communities in
general, I think.
I have
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case
danc...@frontiernet.net wrote:
A major problem with our dispute-resolution processes is that the
person being harassed has to endure more harassment to draw attention to
the problem.
This is, of course, hardly unique to
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