Re: [Gendergap] Lists of notable deaths of 2015

2016-01-25 Thread Neotarf
Exactly. It would inoculate some of these articles against premature deletion requests. While the red link focus is good, the newbies aren't necessarily ready to write an article from scratch. Adding refs is perfect place to start developing editing skills, especially if the source has already

Re: [Gendergap] Lists of notable deaths of 2015

2016-01-25 Thread Neotarf
Yes, a bot-driven list would be quite helpful, if for no other reason than being standardized and therefore race- and gender-blind as far as selection criteria. I have just finished compiling a list from the NYT article, and it was very labor intensive just to generate the list, before even

Re: [Gendergap] Lists of notable deaths of 2015

2016-01-25 Thread J Hayes
nice work this is worth making into do list and adding to women in red tasks it might be worth scraping nytimes and working back, i.e. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/obituaries/notable-deaths-2014.html this is a nice task for newbies, like the 1lib1ref for everyone, just sprinkling

Re: [Gendergap] Lists of notable deaths of 2015

2016-01-21 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
>At least in the USA, we have to be cautious about "what is an obituary." >Newspapers also run "death notices" which (both in print and >online) look >much like obituaries, but are actually paid advertisements. I'm not even >certain that the terminology ("obituary"=editorial, >"death

Re: [Gendergap] Lists of notable deaths of 2015

2016-01-21 Thread J Hayes
i should not imagine a fear of paid notices, should prevent a systematic inclusion of NYTimes obits, which are assumed notable. especially with the reference generator doing all the formatting. no one is doing this; the article mentions 25% female among these. i.e. we don't include reliable

Re: [Gendergap] Lists of notable deaths of 2015

2016-01-20 Thread Pete Forsyth
Jim, Sorry, I should have been clearer -- I didn't mean to take issue with the original post (which raises a worthy point), merely to introduce another dimension that I learned about only recently, which came as a surprise. It's possible that the NY Times does a good job of maintaining a clear

Re: [Gendergap] Lists of notable deaths of 2015

2016-01-20 Thread J Hayes
some obits are not behind paywall. a reference to do list would make good work. maybe we could get Mietchen or Magnus to make an automated list article / category "list of people with obituaries" cheers On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Neotarf wrote: > Links to lists in

Re: [Gendergap] Lists of notable deaths of 2015

2016-01-20 Thread Robert Fernandez
"there seems to be no process to systematically incorporate these, even when they provide strong support for notability." In fact, there's a lot of discouragement when you try to incorporate people from notable obits into the Deaths in 20xx articles: redlinks removed, stubs targeted for deletion.

Re: [Gendergap] Lists of notable deaths of 2015

2016-01-20 Thread Pete Forsyth
At least in the USA, we have to be cautious about "what is an obituary." Newspapers also run "death notices" which (both in print and online) look much like obituaries, but are actually paid advertisements. I'm not even certain that the terminology ("obituary"=editorial, "death notice"=paid ad) is

Re: [Gendergap] Lists of notable deaths of 2015

2016-01-20 Thread J Hayes
pete, the article linked is listing NYTimes, WashPost, and LATimes. not the paid notices there seems to be no process to systematically incorporate these, even when they provide strong support for notability. cheers On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: >

[Gendergap] Lists of notable deaths of 2015

2016-01-19 Thread Neotarf
Links to lists in major news outlets (NYT, BBC, LA TImes, Toronto Star, etc.) along with commentary on gender bias in obits: http://forward.com/sisterhood/330631/for-women-gender-bias-continues-even-in-death/ The three women listed in the article do have WP articles. It would take some