Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

2014-09-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
In my opinion, women should look to organising off-wiki. Women-only site Women.com was mentioned the other day on the Gender Gap Task Force page. Activism there could certainly fulfil a useful function. Ultimately, I think there should be a separate site for the gender gap effort – combining a

Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

2014-09-11 Thread Risker
Frankly, I see little value in creating a site whose goal includes attracting journalists - particularly given the poor quality, sensationalistic journalism that we've all seen reporting on anything Wikimedia. Risker/Anne On 11 September 2014 18:51, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: In

Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

2014-09-11 Thread LB
I hear you, but I would very much like to see some good newsrooms (real journalists) do regular reporting on Wikipedia. I think it would be hard on the community at first, but ultimately would help. WP is a hostile work environment and I for one am tired of it. Lightbreather On Thu, Sep 11, 2014

Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

2014-09-11 Thread Carol Moore dc
The Resources page links to forty-eight mainstream and tech articles with another 30 or 40 reprints or summaries of those in smaller mainstream publications. The fourteen blog and other entries are just a smattering of the higher quality blog and activist commentary on Wikipedia. So there is

Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

2014-09-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Anne, That's precisely the point. A lot of journalism is badly researched, because Wikipedia is remarkably opaque to many outside observers. So you simply end up with people repeating PR fluff, or going for the easy headline. Here are a couple of articles that are different. I would contend they

Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

2014-09-11 Thread Risker
I'd disagree with you there, Andreas. A lot of journalism is badly researched for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with Wikipedia or Wikimedia. It has to do with limited resources, the need to make a splashy headline, and nowhere near enough sexy stuff. Not even the most fascinated

Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

2014-09-10 Thread Carol Moore dc
Good point. Actually I first heard about it on ANI where they didn't link to the page, but I didn't put two and two together of WHY they didn't link. On 9/9/2014 7:22 PM, Katherine Casey wrote: I don't think it's appropriate to use this list to link to pages that out other users. I understand

Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

2014-09-09 Thread Katherine Casey
I don't think it's appropriate to use this list to link to pages that out other users. I understand your frustration with nothing onwiki getting done, Carol, I truly do, but part of the social contract of being a Wikipedian is that we're expected to not attack the real lives of other Wikipedians -