Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia

2012-05-06 Thread Sarah Stierch
On 5/6/12 1:07 PM, Carol Moore DC wrote: On 5/2/2012 9:39 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: Don't miss http://thehairpin.com/2011/01/women-laughing-alone-with-salad Where are women laughing as they chop up bloody sausage... To me I guess I see hostility and dominance in the kind of shots people

Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia

2012-05-06 Thread Béria Lima
Good idea Sarah. Prove everyone in the world we don't even have enough woman in the 9% of editors who can take a picture of some trivial thing. Prove the world the only way to have picture of girls in commons is hiring models and photographers to take them. I have NO idea why no one thought of

Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia

2012-05-06 Thread Emily Monroe
Excuse me, Beria, but I agree that your tone is, in fact, highly inappropriate. From, Emily On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: Sarah, until i tell you to fuck off I'm being respectful to you. Actually the simple meaning of taking time in my volunteer,

Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia

2012-05-06 Thread Béria Lima
This is highly inappropriate: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beriadiff=3706794oldid=3691439(at that is just the last one, I can give you both a pile bigger than the Everest) And none of you are seing me complain about it. A single mail with irony and you run around claiming

Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia

2012-05-06 Thread Emily Monroe
Of course, that's inappropriate and rude. So were you, but we all know that you know better. From, Emily On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: This is highly inappropriate:

Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 16, Issue 12

2012-05-06 Thread Erin O'Rourke
Irony?? As the meme says, You keep using that word and I don't think you know what it means. - http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/17230566.jpg I think the word hostile is more suitable. There's a difference between constructive criticism of an idea, and calling it 'idiotic' and

[Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Kevin Gorman
Hi all - As was announced several months ago, I am now one of the moderators of this list. Some time ago, there was a discussion on this list about behavioral standards for this list. There was widespread agreement in the initial thread that it's important for this list to remain a safe space

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Laura Hale
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all - Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no hands-on moderation of this list. From now on, there will potentially be

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Risker
On 6 May 2012 17:16, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all - Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no hands-on

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Ryan Kaldari
I don't care who is moderating, but it would be nice to have more civility on this list. When I resigned as moderator, I invited several people to take my place (all women). They all declined citing the contentious nature of the list, except for SlimVirgin. SlimVirgin, unfortunately, was not

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Laura Hale
Thanks. It really makes me as a women expressing concerns about feeling unsafe and unable to talk about issues in terms men on the list feel unimportant and resolved because a man has said they do not care who moderates. Clearly the fact that a man has stepped up to enforce civility on women and

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no hands-on moderation of this list. Then how come I had two posts returned to me last week with the message: 5.x.0 - Message bounced by administrator They

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Risker
Laura, I'm the one who's called you out here. I don't think it is any more tolerable for sexism to be directed toward men as when it is directed toward women, and I am reasonably certain that is the case with many (present and former) subscribers to this list. There are two active moderators for

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Risker
On 6 May 2012 18:50, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case danc...@frontiernet.net wrote: Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Lady of Shalott
I have to agree with Risker here. Laura, it sounds as if perhaps you want a woman-only space, but this is list for discussion by all, of any gender, who are interested in the issues. That doesn't mean we need to dump on men, any more than they should dump on women. LadyofShalott/Aleta On 5/6/12,

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Kevin Gorman
@Risker: Sorry for not making it more clear in my initial post. Although Sue is a moderator, she chooses not to be active in most moderation decisions. Sarah and I talked about this, and she looked over, edited, (and agreed with) my initial email in this thread. I signed it personally instead of

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Béria Lima
I guess the better way to solve this is to place someone from the other side of the fight also on moderation. Why not Laura herself? _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a

Re: [Gendergap] Crowdsourcing better women's imagery (was Re: Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia)

2012-05-06 Thread Gillian White
I like Sarah's idea. Could help a lot. Gillian On 7 May 2012 04:03, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/6/12 1:54 PM, Caroline Becker wrote: Can we please focus on the idea and facts instead of (in)appropriate tones ? I think that trying a professional Wiki Loves Women

Re: [Gendergap] Crowdsourcing better women's imagery (was Re: Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia)

2012-05-06 Thread John Vandenberg
Wikimedia Australia has a program to assist photographers purchasing equipment if they use Creative Commons licences and properly describe their images. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Camera_equipment_program Adding 'other photography related expenses' would be good. On Mon, May 7,

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Sarah
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't care who is moderating, but it would be nice to have more civility on this list. When I resigned as moderator, I invited several people to take my place (all women). They all declined citing the contentious