One of my hurdles as an editor is incivility: a deficiency of it in others
and, according to some of them, too much of it in me - or too much
sensitivity. I started a discussion Where and how to request a Civility
board
Twice during my short discussion about how to start a civility board, which
turned into a long discussion about the word c*nt, an Admin gave the link
to the Commons search results for that word, saying that showed that the
text of the word isn't very offensive. WTF?!
On Jul 30, 2014 7:55 PM,
I would appreciate some feedback on this discussion, please, especially
from others who have been stalked in real life, harassed online, or
Wikihounded.
Thanks!
Lightbreather
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com
wrote:
This article is interesting and relevant to the gender gap issue on
Wikipedia.
Sydney
The Insane Double Standard for Women Working in Tech
I'm going to keep at it, for now. Honestly, I'm tired of it being a mostly
internally discussed problem... Perhaps I'll change my mind at some point,
but that's my thinking on it at this time.
Lightbreather
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
wrote:
And of course, that is the nub of the problem. Women shouldn't have to keep
their heads down and write about acceptable and uncontroversial things to
avoid getting harassed. (Also, I'm not sure even editing women scientists
would be safe.)
Lightbreather
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Sarah
I hear you, but I would very much like to see some good newsrooms (real
journalists) do regular reporting on Wikipedia. I think it would be hard on
the community at first, but ultimately would help. WP is a hostile work
environment and I for one am tired of it.
Lightbreather
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014
There is a discussion at ANI that involves (partially) the Gender Gap Task
Force:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Request_administrator_to_evaluate_conduct_of_user
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Your survey came at the right time. I just quit Wikipedia.
On Oct 14, 2014 10:32 AM, Amanda Menking amenk...@uw.edu wrote:
Hi,
I’ve just activated a survey re: the gender gap, primarily on the EN
Wiki: https://jfe.qualtrics.com/form/SV_cILwYSqJB58SgFn
This survey is a part of ongoing
I cannot believe the crap going on on that talk page now! Having watched
this case develop over the past few weeks, I finally ventured to share my
disgust with the way things ended up, and now I'm being accused of basing
my opinion *completely* on gender. Another guy chimed in to say: Some
people
Don't let RO close that before I can vote... which will December 7, unless
the editors who are baiting me many to get my block extended.
Lightbreather
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Rationalobserver has posted a survey related to the Gender Gap Task
I have been trying to get a block lifted for a week now, but my request is
at a critical point today - as I'd like to vote at WP:ACE.
I have tried the unblock and Admin help templates on my talk page, the UTRS
ticket system, and direct appeals to involved admins. Any suggestions?
For details,
Is there a term (like joe job) for when someone pretends to be you to get
you into trouble? In my case, after I'd already been blocked for a week, an
IP address deleted some info
Makes me smile.
Lightbreather
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
wrote:
yay rays of sunshine :)
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/rosie-stephenson-the-woma_b_6302636.html
--
Sarah Stierch
-
Diverse and engaging consulting for your
Excellent!
Lightbreather
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
wrote:
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.html
GENDER GAP TASK FORCE FTW
--
Sarah
Honestly, I'm leery about participating on this list a lot of the time
because I don't know who everyone is - that is the name they use on this
list doesn't match their name on Wikipedia. There is one I've figured out,
and he is one of the ones who has said some very bad things about me on
talk
I think there is very little that Carol and I would agree on when it comes
to subjects and article topics, and we definitely have different editing
styles, but I absolutely agree with her on one thing, and that is the
hostility on Wikipedia is a turn-off to a lot of women and men. I would
much
I suggest that an environment made up of *mostly* men is going to behave in
a way that is *mostly* male.
The Argument Culture
http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/DAED_a_00211?journalCode=daed#.VKLQgF4AA
by Deborah Tannen PhD
Lightbreather
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Risker
at 10:45 PM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:43 PM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:
Why abandon it? Let's reclaim it. Just ignore those who try to distract
and derail. There are sanctions so no nastiness, but nastiness is not my
usual style anyway.
I don't
December 2014 at 10:31, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it simply impossible to start a Wikipedia project that's open to
women, or people who identify as women? (I'm sorry if I don't use the
correct terms, but I haven't kept up with them in recent years.)
I mean if we did it... what would
that be done?
Risker/Anne
On 31 December 2014 at 10:31, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it simply impossible to start a Wikipedia project that's open to
women, or people who identify as women? (I'm sorry if I don't use the
correct terms, but I haven't kept up with them in recent years.)
I mean
You may be interested in the Systers forum at the Anita Borg Institute:
http://anitaborg.org/get-involved/systers/
It is women only. Sorry guys.
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English Wikipedia - is there a list somewhere?
Risker/Anne
On 31 December 2014 at 10:59, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I'm brainstorming, but yes... a project that is only open to women
or those who identify
enough high-quality
participation b) without becoming a cabal in the style of the EEML
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern_European_mailing_list
that got people in so much trouble a few years ago.
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:59 AM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com
So, I'm reading Wikipedia:WikiProject
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject and nothing is
jumping out at me as prohibiting a WP:WOMEN project. It says,
A *WikiProject* is a group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_group of
contributors who want to work together as a team
December 2014 at 11:18, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:
I can imagine the complaints and hurdles. The discussion is it possible?
Could it work?
To your specific questions, if there's no page-protection option, can
there be? If it's absolutely impossible, then the moderators would have to
keep
...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 December 2014 at 11:18, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:
I can imagine the complaints and hurdles. The discussion is it possible?
Could it work?
To your specific questions, if there's no page-protection option, can
there be? If it's absolutely impossible
would just be making another Teahouse but for women.
It's funny seeing this conversation happening again. :) it's good though
Sarah
(Sent from my phone)
On Dec 31, 2014 8:38 AM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:
I've started two separate mailing list topics today - Women of GGTF
it
is, although hypothetically it's mentoring and... well, I keep coming back
to I'm not sure what it is.
I have a hard enough time keeping up with my current load, and am not
particularly interested in going to more venues, but I may be the exception.
Risker/Anne
On 1 January 2015 at 19:49, LB
, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you, Heather! This is what we run into on the WP GGTF every time we
open something up for discussion.
All I wanted to discuss the possibility of such a group. Are there any
policies that would make it impossible? How would we determine who is a
woman
I just went and read GorillaWarfare's votes. She is my eyes and ears there.
that is, I trust her judgement. She is an excellent arbitrator, and I wish
the Committee had 4 or 5 more like her.
On Jan 23, 2015 10:07 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote:
The rediculous thing is that none
I think one thing that could help is to reclaim the GGTF. The thing is to
remain unflappable and ignore The Troll.
On Jan 24, 2015 9:36 AM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 7:26 AM, J Hayes slowki...@gmail.com wrote:
well, they did not revdel it.
arbcom can drive the
I might be interested. What all's involved?
Lightbreather
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Leigh Honeywell le...@hypatia.ca wrote:
Hey Kevin, don't worry about getting Emily added - I'll handle it. Sorry
to hear you've been ill!
To the rest of the list, another volunteer or two would be
I agree, Kerry. I try to use the thank button at least once a day.
Lightbreather
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com
wrote:
We talk a lot of about the culture of Wikipedia being negative, critical,
abrasive etc; this is a turn-off to a lot of women (and also
You know what I want? A place where women can come together and talk. I
hope they won't get hung up on - or especially belittle each other - if
they prefer to say *about themselves* I am a woman, or I am a cisgender
woman, or I am a woman-born-woman, or I am a trans-woman, or whatever.
And I sure
I would like to suggest that the Gendergap mailing list subscription page
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap include the five
bullet points in the Gender Gap Discuss section
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap#Discuss
- No personal attacks
- Try to stay on topic
It's tempting, but I'm not ready to make that leap yet for my purpose. I
really want it for women only, which isn't quite the same as not men. I'm
leaning toward Anne's those who self-identify as women. It was my first
instinct, and that's usually the way to go.
Lightbreather
On Fri, Jan 16,
Thanks, Leigh. That guy attacked me regularly during the cuntgate
business on WP, and especially while the GGTF ArbCom was open.
Lightbreather
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Leigh Honeywell le...@hypatia.ca wrote:
Tim, this kind ofsnippiness is inappropriate and unhelpful. I'll be
So I made the WikiProject Women proposal at the IdeaLab:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/WikiProject_Women
10 days ago now, with some remarkable support
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IdeaLab/WikiProject_Women#Idea_support_as_of_2010-01-13_20:47_UTC,
IMO.
I'd like to
Based on a discussion at the WikiProject Women IdeaLab talk page
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IdeaLab/WikiProject_Women#best_practice.3F,
I have started a test Kaffeeklatsch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather/Kaffeeklatsch area for
women (cis, lesbian, transgender)
and even proud to be women.*
...wha?
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 1/16/2015 2:20 PM, LB wrote:
Based on a discussion at the WikiProject Women IdeaLab talk page
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IdeaLab/WikiProject_Women
to be an insult that eliminates
womens experience as women, who've been identified as and identify as women
from birth, and are happy and even proud to be women.*
...wha?
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Carol Moore dc
carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/16/2015 2:20 PM, LB wrote:
Based
There is a question at the Village Pump that should be of interest to
members of this list.
Risk in identifying as a woman editor on Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Risk_in_identifying_as_a_woman_editor_on_Wikipedia
Lightbreather
My auto correct changed on-wiki to on-line. I did/do mean on-wiki.
On Jan 18, 2015 9:53 AM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:
Please don't misrepresent me. Wanting ONE safe place on-line for women
only (which is what I want) is not the same as wanting no men anywhere
where women
Some of you may already be aware of this, but there is a did you ask any
women question that has blown up all out-of-proportion at WP Editor
Retention.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention#How_many_women_have_been_involved_in_these_discussions.3F
Marie I always find your replies so interesting. Glad you share.
On Jan 30, 2015 5:46 AM, Marie Earley eir...@hotmail.com wrote:
There is something I thought I should mention as a UK member of this list.
Hate speech (including online) is illegal in the UK.
When the Bank of England announced
Well, I don't know if I did it right, but per Sarah's and Siko's
suggestion, I started this:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/WikiProject_Women
Just bare bones for now. I will work on it some more tomorrow.
Lightbreather
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inclined.
How to Edit Wikipedia: Lessons from a Female Contributor
http://anitaborg.org/news/blog/how-to-edit-wikipedia-lessons-from-a-female-contributor/
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I put my name down as a volunteer back in October - October 7, to be
precise. On New Year's Eve I asked the simple question: Is it possible to
start a Wikipedia project that's open to women, or people who identify as
women?
There are a handful of people on this list who are opposed to the idea,
I worried over this earlier in the month, then I got a brief vacation with
my sisters. Now I'm back and I need to make up my mind whether or not I
want to pursue the WikiProject Women proposal that I made back in January.
(Since there are only five days left in the Inspire Campaign.)
Here's a
My arm is in a cast/splint. Not in good spirits, not getting around well.
Got a request to participate in a survey re the Inspire campaign. Made me
wonder: What was the result? Which, if any, ideas are going to be supported.
I gave up on WikiProject Women because there was so much hatred thrown
WikiProject Women was actually at the top of the Leaderboard:
*https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire/Leaderboard
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire/Leaderboard*
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There is now a Systers-Wikipedia private mailing list for Wikipedia women
editors only. If you are a Wikipedia woman editor (including transgender),
contact me for info on how to join.
I meant to announce this a few weeks ago, but an unplanned, personal
business trip and a broken elbow held me
excludes me, and at the same time I support
experimenting with different types of safe spaces when there is a
perceived need.
Fae
On 21 April 2015 at 19:49, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:
There is now a Systers-Wikipedia private mailing list for Wikipedia
women
editors only. If you
me, and at the same time I support
experimenting with different types of safe spaces when there is a
perceived need.
Fae
On 21 April 2015 at 19:49, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:
There is now a Systers-Wikipedia private mailing list for Wikipedia women
editors only. If you
A reminder to women on this list, if there is something you want to discuss
privately with other women Wikipedia editors, go to this page - Anita Borg
Institute - Systers Technical Interests
http://anitaborg.org/get-involved/systers/technical-interests/ - and
scroll down, you will see a link to
Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who
have been friendly with me over the past year.
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On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:35 PM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:
Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who
have been friendly
In light of Trump boasting of grabbing women "by the pussy" and of him
calling Clinton a "nasty woman" on national TV during a formal presidential
debate, I wonder what effect, if any, his election may have on the WP
working environment.
Since the election there have been numerous reports of
So sad to hear that Sarah/Slim Virgin has passed. I wish I could leave my
condolences. I wasn't aware of her until she invited me to join the Gender
Gap Task Force, but from then on she was someone whose take on Wikipedia
and Wikipedians - including myself - was important to me. I especially
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