Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread Béria Lima
I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you already invite Laura? _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
On 5/8/12 9:52 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: On 8 May 2012 14:42, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt mailto:beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you already invite Laura? _ /Béria Lima/ I'd suggest that Laura is

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread Béria Lima
Well, people like her are the only one i will respect to moderate me. For obvious reasons, I will not accept any moderation coming from Sarah and I don't think that list should be dominated by a men. Btw, if someone do more for women than Laura, who had the very idea of a Woman's Camp

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread Emily Monroe
You know what, Beria? At the very least, you will have to respect Sarahs' authority. You're going to have the respect the authority of every moderator, male, female, or other, and respect the right of *everyone* to participate on this list. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Béria

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread Béria Lima
And who will make me Emily? How old are we that we need to have people sitting on the corner? And authority and respect is not something that is there for miracle, you need to earn it. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread Emily Monroe
Sarah has earned respect. Please give it. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: And who will make me Emily? How old are we that we need to have people sitting on the corner? And authority and respect is not something that is there for

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread Béria Lima
Obviously not from me, or we would not having this talk. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 16:02, Emily

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread Emily Monroe
Okay. Why DOESN'T Sarah deserve your respect? From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: Obviously not from me, or we would not having this talk. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: Okay. Why DOESN'T Sarah deserve your respect? From, Emily I am not comfortable with Beria's stance either, but I don't know that confronting him on the list over it will help anything. We have personality conflicts

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread Béria Lima
Why do you write in capitals letters? _ *Béria Lima **Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 16:19, Emily Monroe

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread Emily Monroe
Nathan, I agree! From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: A debate over civility and cultural definitions of due respect could go on forever and become quite contentious... This seems like it would be a good opportunity for Kevin or another moderator to

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread Béria Lima
George I'm a woman (a young lady if you're from UK)! There are no reason for you to address me with masculine pronouns ;) _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread Béria Lima
Actually the debate was that we need a new moderator on the team, and I suggested Laura. All the other debates you can ask Emily about. ;) _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread Gayle Karen Young
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Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-08 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: George I'm a woman (a young lady if you're from UK)! There are no reason for you to address me with masculine pronouns ;) I am extremely sorry. That had escaped my notice previously, no offense intended... -- -george

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-07 Thread Valerie Aurora
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all - As was announced several months ago, I am now one of the moderators of this list. Some time ago, there was a discussion on this list about behavioral standards for this list.  There was widespread agreement in

[Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Kevin Gorman
Hi all - As was announced several months ago, I am now one of the moderators of this list. Some time ago, there was a discussion on this list about behavioral standards for this list. There was widespread agreement in the initial thread that it's important for this list to remain a safe space

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Laura Hale
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all - Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no hands-on moderation of this list. From now on, there will potentially be

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Risker
On 6 May 2012 17:16, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all - Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no hands-on

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Ryan Kaldari
I don't care who is moderating, but it would be nice to have more civility on this list. When I resigned as moderator, I invited several people to take my place (all women). They all declined citing the contentious nature of the list, except for SlimVirgin. SlimVirgin, unfortunately, was not

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Laura Hale
Thanks. It really makes me as a women expressing concerns about feeling unsafe and unable to talk about issues in terms men on the list feel unimportant and resolved because a man has said they do not care who moderates. Clearly the fact that a man has stepped up to enforce civility on women and

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no hands-on moderation of this list. Then how come I had two posts returned to me last week with the message: 5.x.0 - Message bounced by administrator They

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Risker
Laura, I'm the one who's called you out here. I don't think it is any more tolerable for sexism to be directed toward men as when it is directed toward women, and I am reasonably certain that is the case with many (present and former) subscribers to this list. There are two active moderators for

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Risker
On 6 May 2012 18:50, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case danc...@frontiernet.net wrote: Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Lady of Shalott
I have to agree with Risker here. Laura, it sounds as if perhaps you want a woman-only space, but this is list for discussion by all, of any gender, who are interested in the issues. That doesn't mean we need to dump on men, any more than they should dump on women. LadyofShalott/Aleta On 5/6/12,

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Kevin Gorman
@Risker: Sorry for not making it more clear in my initial post. Although Sue is a moderator, she chooses not to be active in most moderation decisions. Sarah and I talked about this, and she looked over, edited, (and agreed with) my initial email in this thread. I signed it personally instead of

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Béria Lima
I guess the better way to solve this is to place someone from the other side of the fight also on moderation. Why not Laura herself? _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

2012-05-06 Thread Sarah
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't care who is moderating, but it would be nice to have more civility on this list. When I resigned as moderator, I invited several people to take my place (all women). They all declined citing the contentious