Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

There is some association with a private GLAM mailing list. I could not find out more, and I cannot give more details without risk of exposing someone's identity. No idea if it is a NDA, NCA or NPA or something else, even a misunderstanding, you know how people can be, but why would something be

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

No, that's exactly the opposite of what was said. I did not say I signed a non-disparagement agreement. I said I signed the standard WMF confidentiality agreement. You can read it here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Confidentiality_ agreement_for_nonpublic_information/ Everyone signs it for

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

You're mistaken, Neotarf. There is no non-disparagement agreement, and arbitrators have never been required to sign one or even offered the opportunity to sign one, nor have functionaries or anyone else. There is a* confidentiality* agreement that refers to private and confidential information,

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

So we have two former arbitrators on this list, one of whom has offered to assist in evaluating this thing privately, and who has himself signed such a non-disparagement agreement, and another who wants to suppress all discussion of it. We don't know if she has signed such an agreement.

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

So, in other words, you have no evidence at all, except for some gossip, that *anyone* is being required to sign NDAs in order to edit Wikipedia. You have some information that suggests other organizations, completely separate from Wikipedia, It's bad enough that women do, indeed, face greater

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

I have no way of investigating something I was not supposed to find out about in the first place. Given Wikipedia's culture of retaliation against anyone who speaks out, I am unlikely to find out more, but it did seem credible. These agreements are becoming more common, for instance here a female

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

When you say professionals, in what specific capacity are they being recruited? Who is requiring them to sign an NDA? The Foundation? Their employers? I've worked with a number of Wikipedians in Residence and professionals at US cultural institutions, and I know some of them well enough to

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

I doubt very much whether anyone who has been paying attention to this thread still thinks it's about me. The problems with arbcom have been very public since at least the 2015 Wikiconference USA. [1] But JJ Marr does have a point. The Arbcom does label this a "finding of fact", although the WMF

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

JJ Marr, I hate to be the one who walks into a conversation late and asks "What are you talking about?" —especially since you're going to stop talking about it now, but... I searched all through the archives of this list in my mail, but so far am none the wiser... On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 10:10

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

Hi JJ, I can't speak for anyone else, but I was responding specifically to the statement "four arbitrators posted personally identifying information about me and did not respond to my requests to remove it.", which would be a concern to me both in regards to the specific case and also the broader

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

This seems more about Neotarf's personal ban more than anything else. Looking at the arbcom findings of fact (which I won't quote here), it doesn't look like the ban was related to the gender gap on Wikipedia as much as behaviour displayed towards other editors. Maybe it would be better for the

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

I believe because the ArbCom case regards the 'Gender Gap Task Force' On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 7:24 PM, JJ Marr wrote: > How does this relate to the gender gap on Wikimedia again? > > On 15 Jul 2017 6:00 PM, "Neotarf" wrote: > > Just to follow up, the WMF

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

How does this relate to the gender gap on Wikimedia again? On 15 Jul 2017 6:00 PM, "Neotarf" wrote: Just to follow up, the WMF has now responded. I appreciate them taking time to review these concerns. >>>your best course of action is to discuss the PII situation with WMF

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

Just to follow up, the WMF has now responded. I appreciate them taking time to review these concerns. >>>your best course of action is to discuss the PII situation with WMF Legal. Been and done, also involvement from C-levels, although that was some time ago >>>a few other remedies which could

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

Unfortunately I don't think there is much more I can do here. Based on what you wrote, I think that your best course of action is to discuss the PII situation with WMF Legal. There are a few other remedies which could come into play, but they would almost certainly take longer and be more

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

The privacy policy as written certainly leads users to expect their PII is safe. There is nothing I can find in the written policy that would back the idea that the ombuds should refuse to remove PII if they think it might have been posted in good faith. If it could be used to identify someone, it

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

Hmm. I'd like to take a closer look at this, but unfortunately I'm already backlogged with other projects. I wish I knew what to suggest here. If you have already been to the Ombudsman Commission and you disagree with their interpretation of WMF policies, then you might try to contact WMF Legal,

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

Pine, yes without a doubt a violation of WP:Privacy policy, WP:OUTING, and WP:WHEEL for starters, since dox was removed by one admin and reinstated by another, at the direction of yet another arbitrator whose edit history will show nothing. At this point I don't remember any more all the people I

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

The arbitration committee has never responded to any of my emails, although some individual arbitrators were willing to communicate with me while I was writing the arbitration report for the Signpost. Would you like screenshots of the bounce notifications? In addition, four arbitrators posted

Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

"I emailed the WMF in relation to my enwiki arbcom case" You're getting ignored because the WMF doesn't want to get involved in community processes. Sorry to be blunt, but you should try emailing ArbCom before making this type of posting.

[Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

Hello, this is to let everyone know that I have submitted an appeal to the GGTF case. It has been very difficult to try to respond to the accusations in this arbitration case, because I don't understand them. Everyone who has looked at the diffs has found nothing. Kevin Gorman called them