Re: test

2019-07-14 Thread Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users 
David wrote:

> I have imported your key,

:-)

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Re: test

2019-07-14 Thread David 
On 14/07/2019 05:55, Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users wrote:
> David wrote:
> 
>> Hello Stefan,
>>
>> I mean to say - no keys were found :)
> 
> Maybe you have to adjust you settings.
> 
> My key is available via WKD or Hagrid.
> 
> (P.S. I forgot to insert a Message-ID,
> so now threading is not correct.)
> 
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I have imported your key,

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Re: test

2019-07-13 Thread Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users 
David wrote:

> Hello Stefan,
> 
> I mean to say - no keys were found :)

Maybe you have to adjust you settings.

My key is available via WKD or Hagrid.

(P.S. I forgot to insert a Message-ID,
so now threading is not correct.)

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Re: test

2019-07-13 Thread David 
On 13/07/2019 17:56, Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users wrote:
> Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users wrote:
> 
> David wrote:
> 
 Just testing my e-,ails are getting through :)

 But not signed :) no public key

 David
> 
> And a little reply, to see if my signature verifies properly.
> 
> Step 1. Creating the reply in Notepad++ (offline).
> Step 2. Signing the message (offline).
> Step 3. Adding Headers (offline).
> Step 4. Transfer with CoolTerm to online computer.
> Step 5. Sending the message with openssl.
> 
> Stefan
> 
> Forgot the -quiet command in openssl, hence the error.
> 
> Hope the second try is correct.
> 
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Hello Stefan,

I mean to say - no keys were found :)

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Re: test

2019-07-13 Thread David 
On 13/07/2019 17:45, Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users wrote:
> David wrote:
> 
>> Just testing my e-,ails are getting through :)
> 
>> But not signed :) no public key
> 
>> David
> 
> And a little reply, to see if my signature verifies properly.
> 
> Step 1. Creating the reply in Notepad++ (offline).
> Step 2. Signing the message (offline).
> Step 3. Adding Headers (offline).
> Step 4. Transfer with CoolTerm to online computer.
> Step 5. Sending the message with openssl.
> 
> Stefan
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Hello Stefan - I copied and pasted your key into a file - then imported
it - but I could not find your public key in my list - you have a very
small public key :)

David


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Re: test

2019-07-13 Thread Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users 
Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA256
> 
> David wrote:
> 
> > Just testing my e-,ails are getting through :)
> > 
> > But not signed :) no public key
> > 
> > David
> 
> And a little reply, to see if my signature verifies properly.
> 
> Step 1. Creating the reply in Notepad++ (offline).
> Step 2. Signing the message (offline).
> Step 3. Adding Headers (offline).
> Step 4. Transfer with CoolTerm to online computer.
> Step 5. Sending the message with openssl.
> 
> Stefan
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> 
> iHUEARYIAB0WIQTJPiUt+ztNt+rrhGrY1GSzXhKrdwUCXSn/qwAKCRDY1GSzXhKr
> dzwHAP4pjtOH72H4ZF/WXegsao/oVf7kAVKgl1zWAy2Ypg7PTgD8CtwPDxHoHxKq
> FMf+JEVzkjuigzAhyRvE/1vbnkf5GwA=
> =3gZ2
> -END PGP SIGNATURE-

Forgot the -quiet command in openssl, hence the error.

Hope the second try is correct.

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Re: test

2019-07-13 Thread Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users 
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

David wrote:

> Just testing my e-,ails are getting through :)
> 
> But not signed :) no public key
> 
> David

And a little reply, to see if my signature verifies properly.

Step 1. Creating the reply in Notepad++ (offline).
Step 2. Signing the message (offline).
Step 3. Adding Headers (offline).
Step 4. Transfer with CoolTerm to online computer.
Step 5. Sending the message with openssl.

Regards
Stefan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iHUEARYIAB0WIQTJPiUt+ztNt+rrhGrY1GSzXhKrdwUCXSn/qwAKCRDY1GSzXhKr
dzwHAP4pjtOH72H4ZF/WXegsao/oVf7kAVKgl1zWAy2Ypg7PTgD8CtwPDxHoHxKq
FMf+JEVzkjuigzAhyRvE/1vbnkf5GwA=
=3gZ2
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


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Re: test

2019-07-13 Thread Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users 
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

David wrote:

> Just testing my e-,ails are getting through :)
> 
> But not signed :) no public key
> 
> David

And a little reply, to see if my signature verifies properly.

Step 1. Creating the reply in Notepad++ (offline).
Step 2. Signing the message (offline).
Step 3. Adding Headers (offline).
Step 4. Transfer with CoolTerm to online computer.
Step 5. Sending the message with openssl.

Stefan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iHUEARYIAB0WIQTJPiUt+ztNt+rrhGrY1GSzXhKrdwUCXSn/qwAKCRDY1GSzXhKr
dzwHAP4pjtOH72H4ZF/WXegsao/oVf7kAVKgl1zWAy2Ypg7PTgD8CtwPDxHoHxKq
FMf+JEVzkjuigzAhyRvE/1vbnkf5GwA=
=3gZ2
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


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Re: test

2018-04-16 Thread Schlacta, Christopher 
Error:  Test failure:  Testing protocol disengaged.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 9:10 AM, Paul H. Hentze  wrote:
> test
>
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Re: Test symmetrically encrypted files for errors - make sure they can be decrypted

2017-07-24 Thread Neal H. Walfield 
At Sat, 22 Jul 2017 00:01:45 +0200 (CEST),
 wrote:
> I am using GnuPG 1.4.x to symmetrically encrypt files before I
> transfer them to "the cloud" for backup reasons.
> Is there any way to test these encrypted files for errors, i.e. to
> make sure they can be decrypted correctly without actually having to
> decrypt them again?
> Providing the passphrase again etc. is no problem, I only want to
> avoid to write the whole file to my disk a third time (unencrypted
> original, encrypted backup, decrypted test).
> If I can test the file somehow will I get back an errorlevel on
> success or error?
> In short I am searching for something like the test option for packed
> files that most archivers offer.

Probably the easiest solution is to sign and encrypt, and then verify
the signature.  If the encrypted data is somehow corrupted, then the
signature will be wrong.  This, of course, embeds the signature in the
OpenPGP message, which might not be desired.

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Re: Test symmetrically encrypted files for errors - make sure they can be decrypted

2017-07-24 Thread Peter Lebbing 
Hi!

On 22/07/17 00:01, karel-...@tutanota.com wrote:
> In short I am searching for something like the test option for packed
> files that most archivers offer.

I don't know what OS you're using, so the details might differ but this
works for me:

$ gpg --batch -o /dev/null -d test.txt.gpg ; echo $?
gpg: AES encrypted data
gpg: encrypted with 1 passphrase
gpg: WARNING: encrypted message has been manipulated!
2

I deliberately corrupted the file. I say it should decrypt and output to
/dev/null, which on OS'es which have a /dev/null means "discard the
output". With an uncorrupted file, the exit status is 0, but here it is
2. Any non-interactive use should carry the --batch parameter so GnuPG
knows it's not currently talking to a human, and it should specify the
command (-d).

Alternatively, you could parse the status fd. The best way to
programmatically interact with GnuPG is through GPGME, but my gut
feeling says that for this really limited case, --status-fd is good
enough and cleaner than just relying on exit status. Perhaps exit status
is already good enough as long as data is not signed (which would
influence exit status), I'm not sure.

$ gpg --status-fd 3 --batch -o /dev/null -d test.txt.gpg 3>&1
1>/dev/null 2>&1
[GNUPG:] NEED_PASSPHRASE_SYM 7 3 2
[GNUPG:] BEGIN_DECRYPTION
[GNUPG:] DECRYPTION_INFO 2 7
[GNUPG:] PLAINTEXT 62 1500889574 test.txt
[GNUPG:] PLAINTEXT_LENGTH 4
[GNUPG:] BADMDC
[GNUPG:] DECRYPTION_FAILED
[GNUPG:] END_DECRYPTION

I'm just keeping what is printed on FD 3 here, be gone with all the
other cruft. What you actually want is a line that says DECRYPTION_OKAY.
If you parse the status-fd output for that line, I'd say you can be
pretty sure that the file is okay. Don't rely on the opposite
(DECRYPTION_FAILED); you want positive confirmation the file is OKAY, so
that's what you should check.

The only way to verify correctness of every byte of data is to decrypt
it; only then can the Modification Detection Code be computed and
verified. But there is no need to write the decrypted data to disk, as I
demonstrated.

HTH,

Peter.

Disclaimer: I don't usually script GnuPG, I might be forgetting about
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Re: Test mail from Outlook

2017-03-12 Thread Julian H. Stacey 
> Just a simple test message as asked by Werner to test something…

List owner[s] could ask for test@ lists to be added on domains:
http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/   # gnupg-users@gnupg.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/  # mailman-us...@python.org
Examples of domains with test lists:
https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-test
http://mailman.berklix.org/mailman/listinfo/test

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Re: Test Mail

2017-01-23 Thread Brian Minton 
On 01/05/2017 12:35 AM, Roger wrote:
> Test mail to mailing list testing GNUPG signing, appearance and hopefully 
> conforming to mailing list standards.

I received your post to the list.  I also verified a good signature.





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Re: Test Mail

2017-01-05 Thread Roger 
> On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 11:11:13PM +0100, Ingo Kl?cker wrote:
>On Thursday 05 January 2017 15:56:18 Roger wrote:
>> Great.  However I had no idea my mailing list post finally made it to
>> the mailing list, as the mailing list did not send a copy of my post;
>> even though this option is activated within the mailing list
>> settings.
>
>As others have pointed out in the past, that's due to Google thinking 
>that they know better than you how you want your email to be handled. 
>Gmail discards the copies of your own posts received from the mailing 
>list because those posts are already in your sent-mail folder.
>

Yup.  Sure enough, changing from the currently viewed default INBOX folder to 
the GMail/"All Mail" folder reveals my posted emails to the list.  Only took me 
2-4+ years to figure this one out.



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Re: Test Mail

2017-01-05 Thread Ingo Klöcker 
On Thursday 05 January 2017 15:56:18 Roger wrote:
> Great.  However I had no idea my mailing list post finally made it to
> the mailing list, as the mailing list did not send a copy of my post;
> even though this option is activated within the mailing list
> settings.

As others have pointed out in the past, that's due to Google thinking 
that they know better than you how you want your email to be handled. 
Gmail discards the copies of your own posts received from the mailing 
list because those posts are already in your sent-mail folder.


Regards,
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Re: Test Mail

2017-01-05 Thread Roger 
Great.  However I had no idea my mailing list post finally made it to the 
mailing list, as the mailing list did not send a copy of my post; even though 
this option is activated within the mailing list settings.  (I see similar 
activity on other mailing lists, with some merrily returning a notice the 
poster's email made it to the mailing list.)

Veiwing this email online, the GNUPG signature looks in similar format to 
others' emails with the signature with email addresses removed or stripped.  
...looks good to me.

> On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 12:33:30PM -0500, Ahmad wrote:
>Got it... 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:35 AM, Roger  wrote:
>> 
>> Test mail to mailing list testing GNUPG signing, appearance and hopefully 
>> conforming to mailing list standards.
>> 
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Re: Test failure

2012-10-19 Thread Werner Koch 
On Fri,  5 Oct 2012 11:35, collin.kle...@gmail.com said:

 Contents of gnupg-2.0.9/tests/openpgp/sigs.test.log:

GnuPG 2.0.9 is pretty old.  It even does not print the used libgcrypt
version with --version.  I assume that you use a quite recent Libgcrypt
which fixes a bug, that in turn exhibits a bug in GnuPG.  Update to at
least 2.0.18:

  Noteworthy changes in version 2.0.18 (2011-08-04)
  -

   * Bug fix for newer versions of Libgcrypt.

or better to the latest version; which is 2.0.19.


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Re: Test mail to aldo...@gmail.com

2010-06-15 Thread Aldo Latino 
2010/6/11 Werner Koch w...@gnupg.org

 Sorry for the inconvenience,


No problem.

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Re: Test mail to ...

2010-06-15 Thread Road Runner 
Werner's email was a good email to look for bots.

Regards
RR


On 2010-06-13 16:24, FederalHill wrote:
 I have been reading them and trying to understand this issue, I thought it 
 was solved.
 
 
  
 
 --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Road Runner r_run...@poczta.onet.pl wrote:
 
 
 From: Road Runner r_run...@poczta.onet.pl
 Subject: Re: Test mail to ...
 To: gnupg-users gnupg-users@gnupg.org
 Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 10:19 AM
 
 
 On 2010-06-11 09:38, Werner Koch wrote:
 Hi!

 One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
 automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
 owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
 respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
 triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
 hope to figure out the culprit.

 Sorry for the inconvenience,

Werner
 
 Like the others I'm living too.
 
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Re: Test mail to mijiaail...@gmail.com

2010-06-14 Thread P. 
It's not me.
No problem.

Le vendredi 11 juin 2010 à 09:38 +0200, Werner Koch a écrit : 

 Hi!
 
 One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
 automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
 owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
 respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
 triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
 hope to figure out the culprit.
 
 Sorry for the inconvenience,
 
   Werner
 



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Re: Test mail to lord.icervan...@gmail.com

2010-06-14 Thread Iván Cervantes 
not me.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Werner Koch w...@gnupg.org wrote:

 Hi!

 One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
 automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
 owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
 respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
 triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
 hope to figure out the culprit.

 Sorry for the inconvenience,

  Werner




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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread Ingo Klöcker 
On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote:
 On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:40:28 -0400
 
 Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.net articulated:
  I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All
  button and no others. There is no such button on that screen that
  allows diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest
  for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.
 
 Unfortunately, it might prove to be academic anyway. Unlike several
 other lists that I am subscribed to, this mailing list does not use a
 Reply-To: in the e-mail headers. It would definitely facilitate
 replying to list mail if the maintainer(s) of this list configured
 the mailer to insert such a header that pointed to this list.

There is such a header:
List-Post: mailto:gnupg-users@gnupg.org

Reply-to is intended to be used by the sender to state his preference 
for replies. If he prefers off-list replies then he should set it to his 
address and if he prefers on-list replies then he should set it to the 
mailing list address. (In fact, there's also the Mail-followup-to header 
which is even better suited for this than the Reply-to header.)

IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to dictate where replies 
to my posts should go. Therefore, the mailing list software should not 
touch the Reply-to header.


 Conversely, many MUAs support the reply to list function that
 should work correctly on this list.

Exactly. It works correctly because those MUAs use the above mentioned 
standardized (RFC 2369) List-Post header.


Regards,
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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread Jerry 
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:03:00 +0200
Ingo Klöcker kloec...@kde.org articulated:


 On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote:
  On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:40:28 -0400
  
  Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.net articulated:
   I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All
   button and no others. There is no such button on that screen that
   allows diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest
   for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.
  
  Unfortunately, it might prove to be academic anyway. Unlike several
  other lists that I am subscribed to, this mailing list does not use
  a Reply-To: in the e-mail headers. It would definitely facilitate
  replying to list mail if the maintainer(s) of this list configured
  the mailer to insert such a header that pointed to this list.
 
 There is such a header:
 List-Post: mailto:gnupg-users@gnupg.org
 
 Reply-to is intended to be used by the sender to state his preference 
 for replies. If he prefers off-list replies then he should set it to
 his address and if he prefers on-list replies then he should set it
 to the mailing list address. (In fact, there's also the
 Mail-followup-to header which is even better suited for this than the
 Reply-to header.)

There does not appear to be any universal support for the
Mail-Followup-To: header. There was a draft for it:

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt

however, as far as I know, it was never adopted. RFC 2822 does not
mention it either.

 IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to dictate where
 replies to my posts should go. Therefore, the mailing list software
 should not touch the Reply-to header.

Presently, the mailing list manager employed here strips away any
Reply-to: headers.

  Conversely, many MUAs support the reply to list function that
  should work correctly on this list.
 
 Exactly. It works correctly because those MUAs use the above
 mentioned standardized (RFC 2369) List-Post header.


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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread Jean-David Beyer 
Ingo Klöcker wrote:
 On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote:
 On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:40:28 -0400

 Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.net articulated:
 I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All
 button and no others. There is no such button on that screen that
 allows diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest
 for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.
 Unfortunately, it might prove to be academic anyway. Unlike several
 other lists that I am subscribed to, this mailing list does not use a
 Reply-To: in the e-mail headers. It would definitely facilitate
 replying to list mail if the maintainer(s) of this list configured
 the mailer to insert such a header that pointed to this list.
 
 There is such a header:
 List-Post: mailto:gnupg-users@gnupg.org

So there is.
 
 Reply-to is intended to be used by the sender to state his preference 
 for replies. If he prefers off-list replies then he should set it to his 
 address and if he prefers on-list replies then he should set it to the 
 mailing list address. (In fact, there's also the Mail-followup-to header 
 which is even better suited for this than the Reply-to header.)
 
 IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to dictate where replies 
 to my posts should go. Therefore, the mailing list software should not 
 touch the Reply-to header.
 
OK.
 
 Conversely, many MUAs support the reply to list function that
 should work correctly on this list.

Perhaps so, but my Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 dies not, and it is the latest
version available in .rpm for my distribution (RHEL 5.5). I hear
Thunderbird 3 does have something like this.
 
 Exactly. It works correctly because those MUAs use the above mentioned 
 standardized (RFC 2369) List-Post header.


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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread Ingo Klöcker 
On Sunday 13 June 2010, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
 Ingo Klöcker wrote:
  On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote:
  Conversely, many MUAs support the reply to list function that
  should work correctly on this list.
 
 Perhaps so, but my Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 dies not, and it is the
 latest version available in .rpm for my distribution (RHEL 5.5). I
 hear Thunderbird 3 does have something like this.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/4455/


Regards,
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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread Jean-David Beyer 
Ingo Klöcker wrote:
 On Sunday 13 June 2010, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
 Ingo Klöcker wrote:
 On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote:
 Conversely, many MUAs support the reply to list function that
 should work correctly on this list.
 Perhaps so, but my Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 dies not, and it is the
 latest version available in .rpm for my distribution (RHEL 5.5). I
 hear Thunderbird 3 does have something like this.
 
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/4455/
 
 
 Regards,
 Ingo
 
 
Thank you. It works. I used it on this e-mail.
It takes time, though. When I pressed Reply-List, it first put your
personal e-mail address in the To: field and only later did it change it
to the list itself.

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[OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread MFPA 
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Hi


On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 10:03:00 AM, in
mid:201006131103.01...@thufir.ingo-kloecker.de, Ingo Klöcker wrote:


 IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to
 dictate where replies to my posts should go. Therefore,
 the mailing list software should not touch the Reply-to
 header.

As far as I know, this is the only list I have ever subscribed to that
does not set a reply-to header to the list address. I'm not saying it
is right or wrong, just unique in my experience.

The admins don't dictate where replies go: the person replying does
whatever they want. However, I would suggest that it *is* perfectly
proper for the admins of any list to set headers that encourage
posters (or their email software) to follow the etiquette of that
group. In the case of GnuPG-users, that would perhaps be a reply-to
header containing both the list address and the senders address.

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Re: Test mail to ...

2010-06-13 Thread Road Runner 
On 2010-06-11 09:38, Werner Koch wrote:
 Hi!
 
 One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
 automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
 owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
 respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
 triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
 hope to figure out the culprit.
 
 Sorry for the inconvenience,
 
   Werner

Like the others I'm living too.

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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread Ingo Klöcker 
On Sunday 13 June 2010, MFPA wrote:
 Hi
 
 
 On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 10:03:00 AM, in
 mid:201006131103.01...@thufir.ingo-kloecker.de, Ingo Klöcker wrote:
  IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to
  dictate where replies to my posts should go. Therefore,
  the mailing list software should not touch the Reply-to
  header.
 
 As far as I know, this is the only list I have ever subscribed to
 that does not set a reply-to header to the list address. I'm not
 saying it is right or wrong, just unique in my experience.
 
 The admins don't dictate where replies go: the person replying does
 whatever they want.

True. But to do so the person replying has to decide whatever they want 
(reply to author or reply to list or reply to both). Also, not all MUAs 
make it easy to choose between reply to author or reply to list or reply 
to both. I'm not sure what the conclusion is. I guess the only sensible 
conclusion is using a decent MUA which gives the replier the choice. 
Optimizing the mailing list for crappy MUAs is just as wrong as 
optimizing web pages for crappy browsers.


 However, I would suggest that it *is* perfectly
 proper for the admins of any list to set headers that encourage
 posters (or their email software) to follow the etiquette of that
 group. In the case of GnuPG-users, that would perhaps be a reply-to
 header containing both the list address and the senders address.

Hmm, I never read anywhere that this would be the etiquette of this 
group. It's certainly not mentioned on the listinfo page of gnupg-users. 
Also, most people seem to reply to list only.


Regards,
Ingo


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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread Jerry 
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:12:54 +0200
Ingo Klöcker kloec...@kde.org articulated:


 Hmm, I never read anywhere that this would be the etiquette of this 
 group. It's certainly not mentioned on the listinfo page of
 gnupg-users. Also, most people seem to reply to list only.

While it would appear that most users direct their replies back to the
list, there are a few morons who feel it is their sworn duty to CC: the
OP. It gets worse; another user unintentionally replies to just such a
message with the unwanted CC: intact. Now the OP starts receiving a
chain of unwanted e-mails.

While it is certainly possible to filter out just such nonsense, and
personally I feel that reporting it as SPAM since it effective is,
doing so would probably not bode well for the list's reputation..

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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread MFPA 
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Hi


On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 7:37:33 PM, in
mid:20100613143733.7baf8...@scorpio, Jerry wrote:


 While it would appear that most users direct their
 replies back to the list, there are a few morons who
 feel it is their sworn duty to CC: the OP.

After my first few postings to this list, I received a complaint from
somebody whose post I replied to, for not copying my replies directly
to the OP. I amended my reply template to do so, and have received no
complaint since.



 It gets
 worse; another user unintentionally replies to just
 such a message with the unwanted CC: intact. Now the OP
 starts receiving a chain of unwanted e-mails.

I guess nobody has done that when replying to me, since I've
experienced no such chain.



 While it is certainly possible to filter out just such
 nonsense, and personally I feel that reporting it as
 SPAM since it effective is, doing so would probably not
 bode well for the list's reputation..

SPAM (in capital letters) is a canned precooked meat product made by
the Hormel Foods Corporation. (-;



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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread Sonja Michelle Lina Thomas 

 SPAM (in capital letters) is a canned precooked meat product made by
 the Hormel Foods Corporation. (-;


Which is pretty good when sliced thin, pan fried and put on a toasted
English muffin with spicy mustard!

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On 6/13/2010 19:07, MFPA wrote:
 Hi
 
 
 On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 7:37:33 PM, in
 mid:20100613143733.7baf8...@scorpio, Jerry wrote:
 
 
 While it would appear that most users direct their
 replies back to the list, there are a few morons who
 feel it is their sworn duty to CC: the OP.
 
 After my first few postings to this list, I received a complaint from
 somebody whose post I replied to, for not copying my replies directly
 to the OP. I amended my reply template to do so, and have received no
 complaint since.
 
 
 
 It gets
 worse; another user unintentionally replies to just
 such a message with the unwanted CC: intact. Now the OP
 starts receiving a chain of unwanted e-mails.
 
 I guess nobody has done that when replying to me, since I've
 experienced no such chain.
 
 
 
 While it is certainly possible to filter out just such
 nonsense, and personally I feel that reporting it as
 SPAM since it effective is, doing so would probably not
 bode well for the list's reputation..
 
 SPAM (in capital letters) is a canned precooked meat product made by
 the Hormel Foods Corporation. (-;
 
 
 
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 Best regards
 
 MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com
 
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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread MFPA 
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Hi


On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 6:12:54 PM, in
mid:201006131912.55...@thufir.ingo-kloecker.de, Ingo Klöcker wrote:


 Hmm, I never read anywhere that this would be the
 etiquette of this  group. It's certainly not mentioned
 on the listinfo page of gnupg-users. Also, most people
 seem to reply to list only.

When I first posted here, I wondered why I kept getting copies of
replies to my posts sent directly to my address as well as via the
list. Soon, somebody corrected me for not copying them in on my reply
to their post as well as sending it to the list. They told me that was
the etiquette here. Since my experience at the time supported that
statement, I duly set up my reply template to do just that. I can't
remember who that was, and probably no longer have a copy of the
message.

I still often receive copies of replies to my posts directly as well
as via the list; sometimes both addresses are in the to field, but
more often one or other is a cc. I still have my reply template set
up to do the same.


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Re: Test mail to cw...@keepandbeararms.com

2010-06-12 Thread Carl Spitzer 
Aok here.  Looks like your list is set correctly c-R goes to you and c-L
to the list.


On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 09:37 +0200, Werner Koch wrote:
 Hi!
 
 One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
 automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
 owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
 respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
 triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
 hope to figure out the culprit.
 
 Sorry for the inconvenience,
 
   Werner
 
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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-12 Thread Carl Spitzer 
On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 08:45 -0500, Sonja Michelle Lina Thomas wrote:

 To handle this issue I added the reply to list button to Thunderbird.
 Whenever I deal with a list, I hit that button. I added it through the
 right click  customize menu and drug the button to my toolbar.
 

I use Evolution which also gives me a choice if the list headers are
done right.
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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-12 Thread Jean-David Beyer 

Sonja Michelle Lina Thomas wrote:

my e-mailer honored it automatically (perhaps it does). Because some
lists to which I subscribe automatically reply to the lists, and some
automatically reply to the original sender, and I cannot remember which
is which. I know asking any particular list to change is not worth the
trouble; each list has its own policy and unwilling to change. I try to
remember which is which. It is sometimes suggested to hit Reply-All, but
this results in the original poster's getting two replies. I



To handle this issue I added the reply to list button to Thunderbird.
Whenever I deal with a list, I hit that button. I added it through the
right click  customize menu and drug the button to my toolbar.

I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All button 
and no others. There is no such button on that screen that allows 
diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest for Red Hat 
Enterprise Linux 5.


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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-12 Thread Doug Barton 

On 06/12/10 13:40, Jean-David Beyer wrote:

I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All button
and no others. There is no such button on that screen that allows
diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest for Red Hat
Enterprise Linux 5.


As much as I hate to contribute to this off topic thread, it's probably 
worth saying that there are buttons for 'reply' and 'reply list/all' in 
tbird 3. It's a great upgrade from tbird 2, which I used for years. You 
might try downloading the linux version from the mozilla site.



hth,

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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-12 Thread Jerry 
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:40:28 -0400
Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.net articulated:

 I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All button 
 and no others. There is no such button on that screen that allows 
 diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest for Red
 Hat Enterprise Linux 5.

Unfortunately, it might prove to be academic anyway. Unlike several
other lists that I am subscribed to, this mailing list does not use a
Reply-To: in the e-mail headers. It would definitely facilitate
replying to list mail if the maintainer(s) of this list configured the
mailer to insert such a header that pointed to this list. Conversely,
many MUAs support the reply to list function that should work
correctly on this list.

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Re: Test mail to richih.mailingl...@gmail.com

2010-06-11 Thread Richard Hartmann 
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 09:39, Werner Koch w...@gnupg.org wrote:

 Sorry for the inconvenience,

No problem. It's not me :)


Richard

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Re: Test mail to stuffcor...@archlinux.us

2010-06-11 Thread Rick W. Chen 
On 11 Jun 2010 09:39 +0200, Werner Koch:
 Hi!
 
 One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
 automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
 owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
 respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
 triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
 hope to figure out the culprit.
 
 Sorry for the inconvenience,
 
   Werner

Hi, how can I convince you that I was not the culprit?

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Re: Test mail to erwin...@dds.nl

2010-06-11 Thread Erwin Lam 
On Friday 11 June 2010 09:37:23 Werner Koch wrote:
 Hi!
 
 One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
 automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
 owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
 respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
 triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
 hope to figure out the culprit.
 
 Sorry for the inconvenience,
 
   Werner
 

No problem.

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Re: Test mail to gnupg.u...@seibercom.net

2010-06-11 Thread Jerry 
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:37:34 +0200
Werner Koch w...@gnupg.org articulated:


 Hi!
 
 One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
 automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
 owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
 respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
 triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
 hope to figure out the culprit.
 
 Sorry for the inconvenience,
 
   Werner
 

I am assuming that you wanted me to reply to this message. Its intended
purpose was not overly clear. At least not to me, but then again I have
not had my second cup of coffee this morning.

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Re: Test mail to gnupg.u...@seibercom.net

2010-06-11 Thread Jameson Rollins 
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:27:12 -0400, Jerry gnupg.u...@seibercom.net wrote:
 I am assuming that you wanted me to reply to this message. Its intended
 purpose was not overly clear. At least not to me, but then again I have
 not had my second cup of coffee this morning.

I think if he had wanted you to respond to it he would have asked you to
respond to it.

jamie.


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Re: Test mail to gnupg.u...@seibercom.net

2010-06-11 Thread Jerry 
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:33:23 -0400
Jameson Rollins jroll...@finestructure.net articulated:


 On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:27:12 -0400, Jerry gnupg.u...@seibercom.net
 wrote:
  I am assuming that you wanted me to reply to this message. Its
  intended purpose was not overly clear. At least not to me, but then
  again I have not had my second cup of coffee this morning.
 
 I think if he had wanted you to respond to it he would have asked you
 to respond to it.

Perhaps, then again, perhaps not. As a lifelong sports official,
everything is considered legal unless specifically barred by a formal
rule.

In any case, I am not the only subscriber who replied to his post. I
was simply following the lead of other responders before me.

Which reminds me; there is a request at the end of every post I make.
Would it be to much of an imposition for you to honor that request?

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Re: Test mail to satish.alr...@gmail.com

2010-06-11 Thread Satish 
Email received correctly



On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Werner Koch w...@gnupg.org wrote:

 Hi!

 One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
 automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
 owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
 respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
 triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
 hope to figure out the culprit.

 Sorry for the inconvenience,

  Werner




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Re: Test mail to kevhil...@gmail.com

2010-06-11 Thread Kevin Hilton 
Not sure who that was but I was not responsible

On Jun 11, 2010 4:26 AM, Werner Koch w...@gnupg.org wrote:

Hi!

One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
hope to figure out the culprit.

Sorry for the inconvenience,

 Werner
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Re: Test mail to gnupg.u...@seibercom.net

2010-06-11 Thread Jean-David Beyer 

Jerry wrote (in part):



Which reminds me; there is a request at the end of every post I make.
Would it be to much of an imposition for you to honor that request?

Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored.
Please do not ignore the Reply-To header.



I looked at the headers, and there is no Reply-To header in the e-mail I 
received from the list. An entire page of headers, but not that one.


Even if Reply-To was a header, it would be too much to honor it unless 
my e-mailer honored it automatically (perhaps it does). Because some 
lists to which I subscribe automatically reply to the lists, and some 
automatically reply to the original sender, and I cannot remember which 
is which. I know asking any particular list to change is not worth the 
trouble; each list has its own policy and unwilling to change. I try to 
remember which is which. It is sometimes suggested to hit Reply-All, but 
this results in the original poster's getting two replies. I 
particularly hate this method as I then reply to which ever one I get 
first, usually direct to the author, thinking he wants a private reply 
since he sent it to me privately. Then a little later I get one from the 
list, and it is usually too much trouble to send another reply to the 
list. I wish all lists were set up so a reply to a message from the list 
went back to the list, but there is no point asking that from a list 
that does things another way.


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Re: Test mail to jcr...@gmail.com

2010-06-11 Thread John C. Ruff 



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On Jun 11, 2010, at 3:37, Werner Koch w...@gnupg.org wrote:


Hi!

One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
hope to figure out the culprit.

Sorry for the inconvenience,

 Werner


Good luck with the search!

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Re: Test mail to cw...@copper.net

2010-06-11 Thread Carl Spitzer 
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On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 09:37 +0200, Werner Koch wrote:
 Hi!
 
 One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
 automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
 owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
 respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
 triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
 hope to figure out the culprit.
 
 Sorry for the inconvenience,
 
   Werner
 


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Re: Test mail to gnupg.u...@seibercom.net

2010-06-11 Thread Jerry 
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:14:29 -0400
Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.net articulated:

 Jerry wrote (in part):
 
  
  Which reminds me; there is a request at the end of every post I
  make. Would it be to much of an imposition for you to honor that
  request?
  
  Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored.
  Please do not ignore the Reply-To header.
 
 
 I looked at the headers, and there is no Reply-To header in the
 e-mail I received from the list. An entire page of headers, but not
 that one.
 
 Even if Reply-To was a header, it would be too much to honor it
 unless my e-mailer honored it automatically (perhaps it does).
 Because some lists to which I subscribe automatically reply to the
 lists, and some automatically reply to the original sender, and I
 cannot remember which is which. I know asking any particular list to
 change is not worth the trouble; each list has its own policy and
 unwilling to change. I try to remember which is which. It is
 sometimes suggested to hit Reply-All, but this results in the
 original poster's getting two replies. I particularly hate this
 method as I then reply to which ever one I get first, usually direct
 to the author, thinking he wants a private reply since he sent it to
 me privately. Then a little later I get one from the list, and it is
 usually too much trouble to send another reply to the list. I wish
 all lists were set up so a reply to a message from the list went back
 to the list, but there is no point asking that from a list that does
 things another way.

Evidently, the list manager employed here strips off any Reply-To:
header and then fails to replace it with one that points to the list.
Fortunately, not all mailing lists are configured in a similar manner.

Fortunately, using claws-mail, I am able to circumvent that problem (in
most cases). I would assume that other MUAs would have a similar
configuration option.

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gnupg.u...@seibercom.net

Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored.
Please do not ignore the Reply-To header.
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Re: Test mail to gnupg.u...@seibercom.net

2010-06-11 Thread MFPA 
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Hi


On Friday 11 June 2010 at 4:36:34 PM, in
mid:2010063634.5f83c...@scorpio, Jerry wrote:


 Evidently, the list manager employed here strips off
 any Reply-To: header and then fails to replace it
 with one that points to the list. Fortunately, not all
 mailing lists are configured in a similar manner.

 Fortunately, using claws-mail, I am able to circumvent
 that problem (in most cases). I would assume that other
 MUAs would have a similar configuration option.

I was told the etiquette for this list was to reply to the list and
also cc your reply to the person whose message you are replying to. So
I set up my reply template to do just that. (-;


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Re: Test mail to faramir...@gmail.com

2010-06-11 Thread Faramir 
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Werner Koch escribió:
 Hi!
 
 One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
 automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
 owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
 respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
 triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
 hope to figure out the culprit.
 
 Sorry for the inconvenience,

  Don't worry, but I hope you didn't have to send these test messages
manually, I'd bet there are a lot of subscribers in the list...

  Best Regards
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Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-11 Thread Sonja Michelle Lina Thomas 
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 my e-mailer honored it automatically (perhaps it does). Because some
 lists to which I subscribe automatically reply to the lists, and some
 automatically reply to the original sender, and I cannot remember which
 is which. I know asking any particular list to change is not worth the
 trouble; each list has its own policy and unwilling to change. I try to
 remember which is which. It is sometimes suggested to hit Reply-All, but
 this results in the original poster's getting two replies. I


To handle this issue I added the reply to list button to Thunderbird.
Whenever I deal with a list, I hit that button. I added it through the
right click  customize menu and drug the button to my toolbar.

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On 6/11/2010 7:14, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
 Jerry wrote (in part):
 

 Which reminds me; there is a request at the end of every post I make.
 Would it be to much of an imposition for you to honor that request?

 Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored.
 Please do not ignore the Reply-To header.
 
 
 I looked at the headers, and there is no Reply-To header in the e-mail I
 received from the list. An entire page of headers, but not that one.
 
 Even if Reply-To was a header, it would be too much to honor it unless
 my e-mailer honored it automatically (perhaps it does). Because some
 lists to which I subscribe automatically reply to the lists, and some
 automatically reply to the original sender, and I cannot remember which
 is which. I know asking any particular list to change is not worth the
 trouble; each list has its own policy and unwilling to change. I try to
 remember which is which. It is sometimes suggested to hit Reply-All, but
 this results in the original poster's getting two replies. I
 particularly hate this method as I then reply to which ever one I get
 first, usually direct to the author, thinking he wants a private reply
 since he sent it to me privately. Then a little later I get one from the
 list, and it is usually too much trouble to send another reply to the
 list. I wish all lists were set up so a reply to a message from the list
 went back to the list, but there is no point asking that from a list
 that does things another way.
 
 
 
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Re: Test mail to shadowe...@gmail.com

2010-06-11 Thread David 

On 6/11/2010 12:39 AM, Werner Koch wrote:

Hi!

One of the subscribers to this list created a mail forward to an
automated ticketing system which responds to the the poster.  The
owner of the ticketing system at secure.mpcustomer.com does not
respond to any of our queries to send us more information on the mails
triggering the posting.  Thus we need to send these test mails in the
hope to figure out the culprit.

Sorry for the inconvenience,

   Werner



Not me - hope you find who you are looking for.

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