Re: VTOCs vs. catalogs

SVC 99 came in with TSO (R20.1?). What is Restore? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dm

Re: VTOCs vs. catalogs

Batch TMP came in with TSO/E. SVC 99 was a supported interface in MVS, but the parameter list was very different from that in OS/360 and SVS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: VTOCs vs. catalogs

on a START command. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent:

Re: VTOCs vs. catalogs

Yes, Allocation did the cleanup for the DIRF bit. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Brennan Sent: Monday, May 27, 2024 4

Re: VTOCs vs. catalogs

Also, was the name "DOS contaminated" for the DIRF bit ever official? And when did IBM finally give an equate for X'80' in DS4VTOCI? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: VTOCs vs. catalogs

DOS had VTOCs for as far back as I can remember, but when was the transition from DLAB and TLAB to DLBL and TLBL? When did IBM introduce the DIRF bit in the VTOC? It was definitely in OS/360, but which release? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי

Re: VTOCs vs. catalogs

(Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Friday, May 24, 2024 8:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VTOCs vs

Re: VTOCs vs. catalogs

I just grabbed the first one I found at bitsavers. AFAIK, everything from BOS up supported a VTOC on DASD from day one, other than the card and tape only software. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: IDz and RDz?

In fact, it's now transcendental. As Aristophenes wrote in Cambridge, e**x dy dx, e**x dx. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: VTOCs vs. catalogs

Nope. <http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/dos/C24-3427-3_Disk_Operating_System_Data_Management_Concepts_Feb68.pdf> The fact had DLAB and DLBL statements does not mean that the was no VTOC. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔

Re: VTOCs vs. catalogs

VSAM certainly didn't replace PDS. Too bad they didn't port VAM from TSS. In Eunix there is no catalog of file systems that you can mount. "Every OS Sucks", Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie <https://genius.com/Three-dead-trolls-in-a-baggie-every-os-sucks-lyrics> -- Shmuel (Seymo

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: VTOCs vs. catalogs

Correction: VTOC index came with DFDS but VVDS came with ICF in DF/EF. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Seymour J Metz Sent

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: VTOCs vs. catalogs

VVDS came with DFDS. ICF and קריעת תחת came with DF/EF. Things got better with DFP and DFSMS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

IDz and RDz?

I currently have both IDz and RDz installed. Do I lose any functionality if I uninstall RDz? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: VTOCs vs. catalogs

ble on each volume called the Volume Table Of Contents (VTOC). " -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lennie Bradshaw Sent: Friday

Re: Dump Analysis Best Training / Documentation

Do you have access to Jerry Ng's presentations at SHARE? Has IBM added anything on debugging in the z/OS V3R1 documentation? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

The same is true for, e.g., InfoConnect Reflection. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Saturday, May 18

Re: WHERE in debugger?

to use the right one for the product you're using? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Feller <05aa34d46684-dmarc-r

WHERE in debugger?

Do the IDF and z/OS Debugger have commands given an address will return return a load module, csect and symbol for that address? What about storage mapped by a dsect? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: Fault Analyzer output for executed instructions?

OK, it's DEBUG-I-378. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Farley, Peter <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>

Re: Fault Analyzer output for executed instructions?

That requires a userid. Ideally I'd not only like the report to show the as-modified instruction but also to use that as the basis for displaying the operands. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: HLASM IDF ddnames

It's helpful, but I'm still looking for a complete list of ddnames. Thanks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bruce Hewson

Relation between ASMLANGX and EQALANGX

(Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO

HLASM IDF ddnames

? It was an easy, robust way to submit comments. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Re: Fault Analyzer output for executed instructions?

Convert From Packed has an 8 bit length field, and it can generate IC 07 with DXC 0 or 3. In my case it was an EX of an RP, so both the length and rounding factor are a nybble. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: Fault Analyzer output for executed instructions?

contents to determine how much of the target's operand to print. In this case, R2 contains XL4'D0', the EX target contains X'F005' and the report contains only one byte of the target. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א

Re: Fault Analyzer output for executed instructions?

/* R2 CONTAINS D0 */ ... C2$SRP SRP WORK(0),62,5 /* 62 = SHIFT RIGHT 2 */ -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Hank

Fault Analyzer output for executed instructions?

in ADATA, or to do the same logical or as the EX does? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: DFSORT newline

Various operating systems use CR, LF or a combination. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-r

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: JOB card format

In TUs? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Pommier, Rex Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 1:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: JOB card format

is to large if it's stored in timer units. If that isn't an anachronism, I don't know what is. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: JOB card format

Bletch! Where is that documented? I find the suspension of JWT by TIME=1440 to not only unintuitive but harmful. what if I need to limit the CPU time but allow long waits? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: JOB card format

I don't know a Hebrew idiom for that. An approximate English equivalent for לא דובים ולא יער would be There ain't no such animal. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM

Re: JOB card format

לא דובים ולא יער TIME= on the JOB and EXEC is, was and always will be CPU time. It's the TIME= on the /*JOBPARM that is wall clock time. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From

Re: Restore members in a PDS - how/which tool?

Alas, if he did a fast bulk erase then they're toast. That's also true for PDS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Marchant

Re: JOB card format

The generic format is in JCL Reference, but your installation may have imposed restrictions on the accounting and programmer name fields. Is your shop using the accounting field for JES2? If so, that's also in the JCL reference. Or has IBM dropped that option? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: JOB card format

There are three distinct limits: CPU time: controlled by JCL Execution time limit: controlled by JECL. Wait time limit: JCL only controls on/off. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: Restore members in a PDS - how/which tool?

For PDS: PDS96 For PDSE: define it with multiple versions -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of <0619bfe39560-dmarc-r

Re: Restore members in a PDS - how/which tool?

PDS is one of the tools that I really miss when I'm somewhere it's not allowed. Essential, IMHO. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: IEFBR14 -- DSCB set? [WAS: Consultation on the Potential Risks of Deleting Specific Datasets]

Then there is the version that had an eyecatcher. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lionel B. Dyck <057b0ee5a853-dmarc-r

Re: IEFBR14 -- DSCB set? [WAS: Consultation on the Potential Risks of Deleting Specific Datasets]

What release? There have been multiple code changes over the years. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Beaver

Re: IEFBR14 -- DSCB set? [WAS: Consultation on the Potential Risks of Deleting Specific Datasets]

Could you be thinking of the option to write an EOF when allocating a new PS? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Thompson

Re: 0C4 pic 11 in stimer exit on retry

That stems from a bad address. Are you in the correct address mode? Could you have done a premature FREEMAIN? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: Testdriving svc in key 9 (was: finding callers key in svc)

If he's using the binder then requesting REFR will also set RENT, which will get him SP252, and hence key 0. REFRPROT is an unrelated mechanism. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: putting refreshable module in subpool 252

and for a page violation, albeit with a different reason code. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Erik Janssen <062c99926

Re: IEABRC anomaly

So I'm not the first to run into this :-( -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Sri Hari Kolusu Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 10:44

Re: finding callers key in svc

of curiosity, what are the fields for the GR top halves? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Austin Sent: Wednesday, May 1

IEABRC anomaly

It turns out that IEABRC does not convert NOP to JNOP. Is that a bug or a feature? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe

Re: finding callers key in svc

'FORCE ABEND I would take a closer look at the SPKA code. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Peter Relson Sent: Wednesday

Re: finding callers key in svc

MODEST. An SVC that calls another SVC. ... Multithreading would normally involve multiple TCBs. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: finding callers key in svc

NO! Use RBOPSW; the caller might not be in the PSW key. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Erik Janssen <062c999269e8-dm

Re: finding callers key in svc

What type of SVC? The SVRB only exists for 3, 3 and 4. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Erik Janssen <062c999269e8-dm

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

While there is automatic upper casing for TSO command and subcommand names, there are still plenty of cases ;-) where case matters. Consider generating SYSIN for an IBM service aid or utility. Or generating edit subcommands with case-sensitive operands. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

then you must use, e.g., a literal. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Andrew Rowley Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 8:59 PM To: IBM

Re: ooRexx forum?

The rexxla-members list is a good place to start. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges <0587168ababf-dmarc-r

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

I'm not the who encountered it. I'd love to see the trace i output. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jon Perryman Sent

Re: S0c4 creation

SLIP behaves differently for a program check converted to an ABEND. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Thompson Sent

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

delete foo rather than 'DELETE' foo is a simple example. In practise I often need multiple upper case constants in a single expression. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From

Re: S0c4 creation

IBM promised to never use opcode 00, and that's what I use when I want (E)SPIE in the skie. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

a class I'm grading ;-) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu&

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

It shortens expressions, upper cases automatically and, IMHO, is more readable. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Andrew Rowley

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

Unclean! Did you report it as a bug? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-r

Re: REXX vs other languages

I've seen code that does. I would never bless it in a code review. To me the big advantage is that adding language features doesn't break existing code. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: REXX vs other languages -- EXECIO intuitiveness

Only in a EUnix environment. I don't know if syscalls is enough or if you actually have t be running under the shell. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

There are languages with a covention that method names end in ain a question mark iff they are Boolean. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

for statements that are expressions is often an application rater than the operating system, e.g., ISPEXEC, IISREDIT, XEDIT. That behavior is incredibly useful. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: REXX vs other languages -- EXECIO intuitiveness

Many platforms support ooRexx and Regina, whiinclude ANSI stream I/O. EXECIO is nice when portability is an issue, but otherwise I use stream. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

I frequently use single letter control variables in short DO loops. But my primary criterion is legibility. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: REXX vs other languages -- EXECIO intuitiveness

Given that REXX in an OMVS environment supports ANSI stream I/O, why use EXECIO? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul

Re: S0c4 creation

Do you need to distinguish among possible reasons? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Peter <05e4a8a0a03d-dmarc-r

Re: S0c4 creation

There are addresses guarantied to never be valid. I would suggest using one of them rather than relinking a nonrefreshable program into an APF library as RENT. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: REXX vs other languages

J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Robin Vowels <054c2a8bb600-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 5:08 AM To: IB

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

the bleeding edge, and plenty of youngsters("young fogies") who are resistant to change. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: grep ascii files...

It depends on the language and the context. I'm not conversant with Arabic, but Hebrew uses both, as does English. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe

Re: grep ascii files...

I believe that bidi processing depends on the model. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dm

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

There is no automatic environment integration. There is an API that makes it easy for the developer of an application to support Rexx scripts and there are environments whose developers have exploited that API. ooRexx is not inferior in that regard. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

The obvious answer is IEBUPDTE, but if you still have a copy of IEBUPDAT that would also work as long asyou generated the old syntax. Or install IEBUPDTX from CBTTAP. Why not use XMIT? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א

Re: FORTRAN G/H sources

Have you checked whether the Hercules or Turnkey web sites have the OS/360 optional source tapes? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

VM OpenEdition announcement letters

Does anybody have links for announcement letters on 1. The change of VM OpenEdition from optional to standard 2. The name change from OpenEdition to OpenExtensions ? Thanks -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: Attributes of an assemler symbol

Assembler issues are on-topic in IBM-MAIN. There are more eyes but less focus. No, I would not expect an enhanced N' attribute to be sensitive to the value, only to the repetition count. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א

Re: Attributes of an assemler symbol

As currently defined there isn't one, but it's an obvious extension. Of course, iBM could also use a different letter, and any RFE should indicate that both options are acceptable. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: Attributes of an assemler symbol

The obvious answer, which, alas, isn't supported, would be the N' attribute. RFE? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Binyamin

Re: How can I determine MVS FQDSN from DD Name in Batch COBOL Program?

DEVTYPE might suit your needs. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Cameron Conacher <03cfc59146bb-dmarc-r

Re: How can I determine MVS FQDSN from DD Name in Batch COBOL Program?

but the last are assembler only. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Cameron Conacher <03cfc59146bb-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>

Re: // SET with multiple substitutions?

It turns out that I had the correct syntax but I had an error in a previous SET. Thanks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Sri

// SET with multiple substitutions?

I'd like to do something like // SET FOO= and have the values of both symbols inserted rather than just one. Is there a way to do that? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: security and privacy for the 21st century

It's cost shifting; they do it on the cheap at your expense. Were the inconvenience on their end, they would fix it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

that your shop has vetted. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Pew, Curtis G Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2024 2:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: GNU COBOL

As long as you obtain permission first, it's legitimate. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Rick Troth <058ff5c2d0a7-dm

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

One of the things that makes a language useful is a large library. You can start using, e.g., Ada, C++, Java, LaTeX, ooRexx, Perl, Python, with only a handful of packages, and look for others as the need arises. BTDT,GTTS -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל

Re: Algol

Keep in mind that ESPOL had a statement for every B6700 opcode, althogh I suspect that they were used very sparsely in MCP. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

Ruby is available on *ix and W; if you're going by use then you probably want Java and Python. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: Learning one's tools

ts. Expect the code to be modified by someone with significantly less knowledge of the problem domain, even if they are an expert in the language. Bad standards are stifling and inefficient; that doesn't mean that all standards are bad. Good standards save time in the long run. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

, inwhich case it's worth looking at ooRexx. Have you looked at Ruby? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges <0587168ab

Re: Hmm, 3 ... (Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

I probably would use ":=" for assignment and "=" for equality. Are you supporting SMF-like structures? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainf

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

rtcomings and limitations of REXX as a > programming language. IMHO, if you can't recognize the shortcomings and limitations of foo then you don't understand foo. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

CALL ON is intend for exception handlers that return; that code should never have survived review. It's SIGNAL ON that unwinds the stack. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

For OMVS and z/Linux, ooRexx is the gold standard and comparisons to classic Rexx are irrelevant. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Hmm, 3 ... (Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

replacing the current backlevel REXX with ooRexx. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford <0595a051454b-dmarc-r

Re: Hmm, 3 ... (Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

> I'm developing a language Have you published any details? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Rupert Reynolds Sent: Satur

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