The bind 9 windows port is the only one of interest since it's not
obsolete.
But if BIND 9 is seriously broken, and ISC says that BIND 4 and BIND 8
are still being supported, you try BIND 4 and BIND 8. Although less
feature-rich and more prone to security issues, you would think they
would
A year or so ago, I tried the then-current release versions of BIND 4
has been obsolete, dead for years
As of less than a year ago, it was being offered by ISC as a release
version.
, BIND 8
same
http://www.isc.org/ shows BIND 8.4.7 as being a release version. Talk
to them about it
All these limitations of Win DNS are why BIND 9.3.2 is a better DNS
product.
BIND is great for Unix, but isn't ready for Windows yet. If faced with
the choice, I would choose Microsoft DNS over BIND (in reality, my
choice is paying for a good DNS program).
A year or so ago, I tried the
I'm traveling but I tried getting to DNSStuff.com and all I get is
the about page. Anyone know what's up?
That was due to an odd combination of three related issues -- [1] our
primary site was down for about 1-2 minutes, which [2] triggered our DNS
failover to switch to the backup site, which
There are some email servers (which I don't know) that automatically
can send back an email to the sender,
asking the sender to authenticate himself by clicking on a link in the
message or by simply replying to the
message.
Ah, it sounds like someone wanted me to post again! :)
Top 10
We were listed at SORBS many months ago, for some completely
unexpected and unknown reason (we don't send spam).
FYI, there is no one SORBS spam databases -- they have a number of
different spam databases. That doesn't matter much, but can be helpful
information in some cases.
Numerous
I sent an almost empty message the other day and it posts here and I
receive
it thru the forum fine.
Trying to post a longer message with the real issue I wanted to post
and it
never appears. Am using an Imail server to send to the forum and it
reports
the message was sent and accepted by
* **ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com* [24.94.166.129]
Does anyone have any info on this domain ?
rr.com is RoadRunner, a very popular ISP (cable) in the United States.
A good trick when you don't know about a domain is to go to the
website. In this case, the main domain is rr.com (if you aren't sure
We have used the Declude SPAM and Virus products with Imail for many
years and are very happy with it.
Their support has been excellent as well (especially when Scott was
still around). It is well worth the money.
I haven't disappeared completely. :)
-Scott
Do you really expect http://mail.google.com to go to the Google website?
No.
What I expect is a legitimate service be somehow available for
confirmation and correction.
Yes. But again, you're saying that you should be able to E-mail
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or go to the website mail.google.com.
Is anyone else bouncing email because the worldnic dns servers aren't
responding?
They are FUBAR, and have been for several days. FYI, Worldnic was
apparently bought out by Network Solutions. Their DNS servers for the
past 4 days or so have apparently been acting in a way similar to lame
I cannot get to ybl.megacity.org
megacity.org is a blog
spammers.v6net.org appears to be a spam site, or it has been hijacked.
None of those are websites of spam databases. I think you're confusing
the base zone of a spam database (the piece of information that your
anti-spam software
None of those are websites of spam databases. ...
You may want to check out http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm
which lists the websites for the spam databases.
Thank you for your reply.
But you did not read it!!!
Please re-read it. Do you really expect http://mail.google.com
Scott - this is all I am seeing, the outbound message, in all of my
logs for
that day. What is troubling is they are telling me they are getting an
undeliverable when trying to e-mail me. I even checked my SMTP control
access list to see if somehow I blocked them by mistake.
Why would they
I see my post in the mail archive, but I never got it.
Have you checked your mailserver to see if there were connection
attempts from 63.246.13.90 (the IP that the Declude.JunkMail list comes
from) on June 30 (the day that you posted to the list)? That list has
been very quiet for the past
However, the thing that keeps bothering me now is why DNS Report only
expects a root MX record, and not a named MX record. If this is just a
matter of convention, as I always believed, then they should be able to
handle it both ways. If, however, I'm just ignorant and the root
record is
I am using Imail 6.06
220 X1 Go ahead send the message
How do I fix this? I see nothing in the Imail Administrator that
allows one to change the HELO name or greeting.
Unfortunately, IMail v6.06 doesn't have an option to send RFC-compliant
greetings. I believe that issue was fixed in v7.
I know this mail had been deleted; I’m worrying about wrong deletion.
How can I remain the error scanned files so that I could recheck?
I'm guessing the Redirect box would let you send the E-mails to a
special account (virus@ perhaps).
But YOU MUST DISABLE THE 'REPAIR INFECTED FILES'
I just put our imail server behind a hardware firewall - Firebox.
Is that the Watchguard Firebox? If so, make sure not to enable the DNS
Proxy. It's has a serious flaw in it, that they won't bother to fix -- if
you use it, it will occasionally drop DNS packets. Fortunately, though, if
ping
pong. :)
-Scott
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2) Also, scenerio: John Doe from Widget.Com is a vendor we deal with.
During the day, he sends his email from work at widget.com. At night, he
also conducts business from his house using his widget.com from address,
but must authenticate through his ISP's server rather than widget.com.
Will
So you just admitted on an open publicly available forum that you are
violating the License agreement?
Symantec expects and should be paid for providing updated definitions.
To give him the benefit of the doubt he didn't mention the state of his
Symantec licensing.
My understanding had
IMail (8.15) appears not to put the PTR results in the normal place. The
two examples below show a Recieved header from a sender with valid DNS
entries and another with totally bogus information. I can't tell them apart
except by running a dig -x on each.
Does IMail do ANYTHING with PTR? How can
I got some spam yesterday and what bothers me is that it looks like our
own server sent it?
Received: from 43.Red-83-43-13.pooles.rima-tde.net [83.43.13.43] by
PINE.MATROSITY.COM (SMTPD32-8.14) id A93E19B400A4; Sat, 09 Apr 2005
17:29:34 -0400
Received: from (65.112.155.254) (port=9021
I'm reasonably sure that the server is ok because I reviewed the logs and
there is no abnormal traffic outbound. I was wondering if one of our
customers' computers could be a bot and that was what was sending out the
email?
No.
The IP they claimed the spam was received from was the IP of your
Is anyone else getting these?
Yes. I believe the reason is:
From: =?Big5?B?sN+kQKSjp3SovrtHvq8=?= johnson
For many years, an occasional spam would make it to the IMail Forum because
it was sent with a line From: administrator (with no @). My guess is
that when IMail checks to see if someone
Can someone give me a quick lesson on how to adjust the good/spam numbers
in the probability test? I know HOW to adjust the numbers, but I'm fuzzy
on what to adjust them to. I've been using a ratio of 1:2 for okay words
and upwards to 1:9 for undesired words.
You shouldn't.
The whole idea
1. A few months ago, several good messages were being tagged with the
STATISTIC flag. Many three-letter words (such as 'and' 'the' 'nor' 'but')
had a high 'spam' number (eg 0,57).
That's normal, actually. It just means that an E-mail with the word and
has 57% chance of being spam (all other
| Without being fed data for individual users, Bayesian filtering becomes
| less effective (how much less effective depends on how similar your users
| are; a small business will see better server-wide results than an ISP, for
| example), and that is most likely just a limitation you would need
Yes, it is possible to have a legitimate mail server set up on an ADSL
line with a subscriber network RDNS. It is also theoretically possible to
host a legitimate mail server on a dial-up connection, on an open proxy,
on a server with an open relay or on an IP range in China that has been
Is there an RFC declaring what type of connection sending hosts should
communicate via SMTP? I'm sure there is open proxy/zombie using a SDSL or
T1 line somewhere on the internet.
Indeed, even computers at the pentagon have been infected.
I think the biggest problem is that a very good spam
I've noticed that some email servers are having a hard time looking up our
reverse dns pointers, so i started looking into why this is. When i used
dnsstuff.com, its output shows the following for one of the ip addresses
on one of my email servers:
How I am searching:
Asking
In the end, you get what you pay for. Those running ADSL will have to expect
that some of their mail will get blocked, just as they have to expect that
support will likely not be as good as they would get with a more reliable
circuit.
And anyone that has a mailserver outside of a datacenter has
I never recommended wholesale blocking of all DSL lines. In fact, I even
stated that I myself used an SDSL line! See Mike K's well written response
to your post. He hit the nail on the head. You are putting words in my mouth
that I never used, nor would I use. This is about RDNS/IP issues, not
If you use the DSL providers SMTP service (free with any decent DSL
connection) for outgoing mail
isn't the problem solved?
The problem is what you and the 2 others aren't saying: you're avoiding
saying I do not want to receive E-mail from low cost business class
Internet connections.
JUST
A message from one of my users was rejected. The 550 reply included a
link. The page gives this as the explanation:
Possible bogus mail. The IP address of the server that connected directly
to our mail server had a reverse DNS lookup that resolved to a dialup or
DSL network. Legitimate mail
They are confused. They are saying that the reverse DNS of your IP
resolves to a dialup or DSL network -- but they almost certainly can't
know that.
Of course, they can. Stop the FUD and lies when your bogus ideology isn't
adhered to.
I was afraid I was going to have to keep the FUD, lies,
65.81.91.10 is the outbound address. .11 is inbound.
Also, these are static. Should static addresses be an exception? We
aren't acting shifty like dynamic addresses.
That's exactly the problem. :) Any spam database that claims to block
dynamic IPs (which is what this one is apparently
I'd look into the Watchguard products, the X class, not the V class products.
FYI, as several people have mentioned the Watchguard, do not even *THINK*
about using their DNS Proxy capability. It is seriously flawed (dropping
DNS packets), and the Watchguard people aren't interested in fixing
I have a customer who swears we have our reverse DNS set up wrong.at
dnsstuff.com we pass every test...except the
DNS timing test. If you put our customers domain (aclc.org) into the box
and select PTR it says our DNS server reports
no PTR records (even though it is authoritive for our
I recently received an abuse complaint, concerning a message sent from one
of our iMail servers. This is very strange...
One question: Was there a Received: header added by the complainer's
mailserver (or another mailserver they trust), that has your IP as the
source of the E-mail?
If not,
So it's definitely because the other provider has screwed up their DNS,
then? mr burnsEcellent/mr burns.
Correct.
I thought about dropping an entry into the hosts file, but I would decline
to fiddle around with that sort of thing just because somme company's DNS
admin can't be bothered to
The Message-ID: header was not RFC-compliant.
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ABNF extracted from RFC 2822 Internet Message Format:
Actually, RFC822 is still the official standard (per
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcxx00.html). RFC822 has:
msg-id = addr-spec ; Unique
I believe you need to open the ports above 1025 to initiate the outgoing
connections.
I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong :-).
This is a fairly common misconception.
You *NEVER* need to (or should!) specify in a firewall (hardware or
software) that ports above 1025 need to be open.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: BADHEADERS, ROUTING, WEIGHT5, WEIGHT5r [5]
Is there more detail in the Declude logs as to which BADHEADERS its
complaining about? I didn't see anything strange.
The Message-ID: header was not RFC-compliant.
What does ROUTING mean, is it a complaint about the localhost
My understanding of SPF is, you could use it as part of your spam filtering
process under the following conditions... please correct me if I'm wrong:
1. You have to have the software to support it (iMail does not have the
ability to check SPF records for inbound mail)
To publish an SPF record,
Thank you Scott, let me run this by you just to make sure I understand
what you saidis the following correct?
Boral.com MX needs to be changed to gateway.boral.com
gateway.boral.com host record needs to point to 207.100.51.6 (mail
frontier external IP)
mail.boral.com host record needs to
We are already using Declude Junkmail, but we were going to also use the
I-mail AntiSpam along with it.
Any reason why not to use the DNS Blacklist feature on the I-mail Server?
Have you seen a lot of problems with it?
Since you already have Declude JunkMail, I would urge you not to use DNS
When a recipient server does a reverse lookup, will it look at all
entries, or does it only take the first one?
The real question here is why do you have multiple reverse DNS entries?
The answer to your question, though, is that most anti-spam programs (and
most *any* programs that look at
Thanks for the clarification, here's the setup, forgive me if this is
convoluted. Inbound mail to mail.boral.com comes into 207.100.51.6
(mailfrontier gateway - no outbound capabilities). It then passes to an
internal Exchange server. Outbound mail comes from Exchange, to IMail
I did some digging and found some info for you. Check out the evidence
file near the bottom of this link:
http://dnsbl.net.au/lookup/?213.154.55.109
Received: from mycommail.com (mail.mycommail.com [213.154.55.109])
by mx1.reynolds.net.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j14MbMtf017528
Running Imail 8.05 on Windows 2003 with no problems.
Trying to test Network Associates Anti Virus V8.0i
What exactly is that program? From the error you get, it sounds like a
desktop virus scanner (one that intercepts POP3 and/or SMTP to scan
personal E-mails).
You should make sure that you
I'm running Imail server with active spam filter. Since a couple of days,
we receice eMails with russian language from different
sources. How can I (if possible) block emails where the language is
russian or asian?
So far the emails pass the spam filter.
If you are using Declude JunkMail, you
I had some issues with my Imail using an old string in it's HELO message.
Rather than bother with finding the correct spot in the registry or
wherever, I just put the string I wanted into the IMail Admin, SMTP,
Advanced page. So, if you telnet to mail.visioncomm.net,
mail.kitepilot.net,
Received the following explanation from the admins of cbl.abuseat.org.
IPSwitch Imail and WorkGroupMail servers, for example, attempts to
simulate being different mail servers, one for each customer domain. In
doing so, it copies the domain name through as the HELO domain. On the
other
Very nice post, but
But what? :)
-Scott
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Security experts are predicting email meltdown now that spammers have
developed a way of sending junk mail via an ISP's own mail server.
They've been predicting for years that spammers will cause people to stop
using E-mail. It hasn't happened yet, nor will it. E-mail is just too
important to
Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 7:00 AM
To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] port-map running as a service
Very nice post, but
But what? :)
-Scott
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192.168.0.2 isn't telling anybody anything. That's an unroutable IP, like
172.0.0.0/12 and 10.0.0.0/8.
I understand this. Most other lists I'm on (qmail, sendmail, etc.) use
internal IPs for
example purposes. Also, I don't know if anyone knows, but the uses of
the domain name
I'm trying to test store and forward in accordance with the KB articles.
BUT... It wont work right! Anyone have any ideas?
On 66.221.63.85, I setup the host file with:
69.93.89.101mail.frumchat.com
Here, I believe you'll want:
69.93.89.101frumchat.com
IMail will look at the domain that
I have log files called conMMDD.log that are showing up in my Imail\Spool
folder. I'm not sure where these are coming from and I cannot find anywhere
that tells to send this log file to the Spool folder.
Those are from our Declude Confirm product.
I'm assuming these
log files are generated by
I have log files called conMMDD.log that are showing up in my
Imail\Spool folder. I'm not sure where these are coming from and I
cannot find anywhere that tells to send this log file to the Spool folder.
Those are from our Declude Confirm product.
So are those log files associated with Declude
What I do not understand is that I have our IMail server set to do a
reverse lookup. If there are no from, to, or subject fields, what is the
IMail server using for a reverse lookup?
Reverse DNS works by turning an IP address into a hostname. Every E-mail
will always have an IP address
Since a few months, IMail keeps orphaning mails in the spool directory and
sending mails to the postmaster:
Delivery Failure - Orphaned files in spool directory
This means that mails are dropped without the user being notified,
involving the postmaster to take corrective actions.
An orphaned
Null Headers, Null senders, Null bodies, or just entire blank
messages. How can I stop them from getting through Imail?
In most cases, these are due to AV programs being run improperly on the
IMail server. If you have an on-access virus scanner running on the IMail
server, it must be set not
The only time that any legitimate traffic should flow through our secondary
MX is when the primary is down completely.
never, ever ??? not very humble, you IMHO
In practice, simply not true, so don't bet any money on it.
You are correct -- it the *remote* mailserver has a temporary problem with
You are correct -- it the *remote* mailserver has a temporary problem with
their Internet connection, the connection to the primary may fail, and the
mailserver will contact the backup. So legitimate traffic definitely can
go to the backup.
Exactly. That is why I am putting this on a server
If that temporary problem lasts a few extra seconds, the attempt to the
2nd
mailserver can fail too, causing the remote mailserver to hit the 3rd
mailserver.
If I had two different servers at two different locations (and feeds) both
tank simultaneously, I'd probably have more problems to
FWIW, I managed to write one rule in the past year that backfired on me by
deleting anything with Cialis in the Subject: line. As it turns out, one
of our subscribers receives a newsletter aimed at soCIALISts. I wonder how
many of you will get this message trapped? :-)
... and specialist, which
If the MTA determines that its garbage it can send a 5xx status code to
reject it.
But can you do that from a delivery application? I've searched the docs
if there are any
additional parameters you can use when calling SMTP32.exe.
IMail doesn't allow third party programs to intercept the
I got a report of a 503 Bad Sequence bounce today from a customer and
then searched my logs and found many others in there as well. I'm not sure
what exactly is going on. It appears that all or most of them occur
immediately after the MAIL FROM is issued by my server, and the receiving
I disagree. if the sender's isp or company is blacklisted then they should
be rejected. we do delete the email since it's 99.999% a bad address
anyway. if we don't do this then people wont have a strong reason to not
be on a blacklist.
FWIW, just this morning I received an E-mail from an AOL
I too had a nasty surprise - all mail deleted! A hurried look at the logs
told me why; v6net.
That's why almost 5 years ago I came up with the weighting system for
Declude JunkMail. A problem such as a spam test dying in such a poor
manner can cause problems, but it certainly shouldn't cause
In other words, in my opinion, no E-mail should ever be deleted based on
the results of a single spam test. I haven't yet seen a spam test with a
low enough false positive rate that E-mail should be deleted based on it.
Let me also add: be *VERY* careful in trusting people to delete your
Is it possible to have IMail v8.14 block incoming SMTP connections
based on a DNS name instead
of an IP address? I have a list of DNS names from other internet
providers that should not be
running SMTP servers. I currently have this list in one of our other
servers and is refused a
ton
Is it possible to have IMail v8.14 block incoming SMTP connections
based on a DNS name instead of an IP address?
That can't be done with IMail alone -- you would need a third-party addon
(such as our Declude JunkMail Pro) to do that.
I'm assuming Declude adds into IMail as a delivery
Save the sales pitch. Been there, done them, but that's not what I asked.
I'm just checking on a possible undiscovered virus/variant. I have
submitted the email to Clam and McAfee with no luck yet of identifying it.
It isn't a sales pitch. Your AV software is broken (in other words, it can
This may have been a wild goose chase going after a broken virus.
It is almost certainly not a broken virus.
Specifically, you know that it is an encrypted .ZIP file -- and virtually
anything that would show you that it is an encrypted .ZIP file would also
show you that the .ZIP file was
We have a customer that ... doesn't want to purchase a CRM app because
he was told that mail servers can block emails sent from app...
He said he was also told there is some list out there that lists
applications known to be used by spammers so people can block mail from
these apps
I just
I've got a number of IP address ranges blocked in my SMTP control access
list. I will be putting an email gateway in place soon that will be the
first place email arrives, and it will then pass email along to my Imail
server. If I do that, will the SMTP control access list still work, or
What third party tools out there might let me do this? The software I'm
setting up on the gateway will not let me block IP ranges, only domains
and email addresses (which is somewhat useless to me). Being able to
block whole IP ranges has proven rather useful in reducing spam in our domain.
Has anybody used DNSMadeEasy.com? We have all of our corporate stuff
hosted
through UltraDNS - and love them. But they are a little higher in cost. I
have some personal stuff with DNSMadeEasy.com and it seems fine.
The DNS for www.dnsstuff.com is hosted through dnsmadeeasy.com.
I've used
Has anybody used DNSMadeEasy.com? We have all of our corporate stuff hosted
through UltraDNS - and love them. But they are a little higher in cost. I
have some personal stuff with DNSMadeEasy.com and it seems fine.
The DNS for www.dnsstuff.com is hosted through dnsmadeeasy.com.
UltraDNS is as
I am just curious if anyone else has noticed this, what I should make of it,
and if anything can/should be done in regards to a rather curious trend I
have noticed recently.
I haven't noticed it, but haven't been looking for it either.
I've noticed that a growing number of mailing lists are
I don't have your email address but since [at least] 6AM EST Jan 8, 2005,
http:www.dnsreport.com has been serving [ERROR: Timed out getting NS data
from parent server] instead of DNS Reports.
Thanks for pointing that out -- it's working now. BIND hangs ever once in
a while, and the site re-sets
I use f-prot on my server with iMAIL. f-prot works well but the realtime
scanner sometimes locks mail boxes on occasion. When this happens the
email client cannot get mail. And the web messaging can't retrieve mail either.
You must disable F-Prot's RealTime Protector. It isn't designed to be
What is it called when a receiving mail server verifies the sender by
checking the MAIL FROM account ...
There isn't a standardized name for that type of test.
... are there issues with submailboxes?
There shouldn't be. All they are going to check is to see whether or not
the address exists --
While I don't have a SonicWall, it seems to me that any stateful inspection
firewall would automatically remap the port outbound for the same
connection, thereby maintaining the state of the connection.
Correct. In fact, it *must* automatically re-map the port
outbound. Why? Let's take a look
Do you have virus scanning on the spool folder??? If you do maby your
virus scanner is deleting the message before it can be delivered.
But it s possible only when there is any virus. But it s not a virus. It s
a genuine mail.
That implies that you are using some sort of virus scanner that
Does anyone have in the control smtp access file all of Korea and
Chinese netblocks?
If you're using Declude JunkMail Pro, and you have the geolocation set up,
you can create a filter that will block all Korean and Chinese netblocks
(with two lines, COUNTRIES 0 CONTAINS kr and COUNTRIES 0
Below is the response that I sent him as to why a service like that is a
bad idea. What say you other Mail Admins?
Your response is good. Mine is a bit simpler:
Top 10 reasons why challenge/response (C/R) is bad:
[1] You end up being a spammer (the majority of spam sent to you will
result in
Recipient, Trend Micro Anti-spam has detected a sensitive e-mail.
They really should change this to Recipient, please remember that when it
comes time to choose anti-spam software, Trend Micro has a very, very poor
option for you to choose. Let's see:
[1] The From: address is broken (From:
The spam log, for example, shows:
BLACKLIST: xx.xx.xxx.xx was found on blacklist spamcopy: *:bl.spamcop.net -
Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?xx.xx.xxx.xx
failed 1 lf 14 checks - deleting.
Why is it not actually deleting? Thanks!
Is that *exactly* what it said? The grammar there
Those hits need to be qualified as to exactly what they are.
I'm really comparing system overhead here. Clam takes a big chunk out of
the processor when it runs while f-prot barely even registers. Send out a
10K user newsletter and this becomes a problem.
Interesting -- you started the thread
We just installed Declude JunkMail. I am curious how much tweaking do I
need to do the package? Currently we are using f-prot with it.
FYI, Declude JunkMail and Declude Virus are two separate products (one
detects spam, the other detects viruses). So if you are using F-Prot, you
are using it
Most of the additional positives are _probably_ phishing attempts. Clam
is fairly aggressive at detecting phishing attempts, but FProt doesn't
even try.
... because F-Prot is a virus scanner, not anti-spam.
If that really is why ClamAV appeared to detect more viruses, this would
definitely
Our company has been looking into purchasing a Spam Firewall (Email
Gateway). I have researched Meridius, ProofPoint, and Vircom Modus Gate. I
tried to get a sales person with barracuda networks to contact me for three
weeks before giving up on them
If that's the kind of company you want to
In MS DNS we appear to have a pointer record for our web servers but when
I do a lookup on them it says that we don't. Obviously we're missing
something here and would appreciate your help.
MS DNS is *HORRIBLE* when it comes to reverse DNS entries. It says it has
the reverse DNS entries, even
The following mail was blocked since it contains sensitive content.
Rule/Policy: Trend Micro Anti-spam
Well, we definitely know of one program to rule out in this thread. :)
-Scott
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Thanks for all the quick responses... So here goes my best shot at
answering all the questions in one whack.
I noticed that Declude is running around 20-50% of CPU during peaks,
but generally it is steady at 5% or so when it is being used.
POPD32, and SMTPd32 both sit
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