Re: [Int-area] [tcpm] draft-williams-overlaypath-ip-tcp-rfc

2012-12-21 Thread Scharf, Michael (Michael)
Brandon, Your are correct that the option could be problematic if added to a full-sized packet, or even a nearly full one. I can see that the document should have some discussion of this issue. Yes. In a case like ours, where the overlay network uses tunneling, transparently adding the

Re: [Int-area] [tcpm] draft-williams-overlaypath-ip-tcp-rfc

2012-12-21 Thread Brandon Williams
Michael, Extending the overlay all the way to the application server would mean that existing solutions for load balancing, SSL offload, intrusion detection, diagnostic logging, etc. would not work. In other words, there are many systems in a common enterprise environment that would benefit

Re: [Int-area] [tcpm] draft-williams-overlaypath-ip-tcp-rfc

2012-12-20 Thread Wesley Eddy
On 12/20/2012 12:21 PM, Brandon Williams wrote: Dear all, A new version of this draft has been submitted that attempts to lay out a more clear argument for the use of both TCP and IP options, with references to other efforts in the same arena. Comments are welcome. (note, I've

Re: [Int-area] [tcpm] draft-williams-overlaypath-ip-tcp-rfc

2012-12-20 Thread Brandon Williams
Hi Wes, Thanks for your comments. It looks like I might have managed to make the use of the proposed option less clear, instead of more clear. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the point that you're making. The mechanics of our system are tunnel-based, as with most overlay architectures that

Re: [Int-area] [tcpm] draft-williams-overlaypath-ip-tcp-rfc

2012-12-20 Thread Wesley Eddy
On 12/20/2012 3:49 PM, Brandon Williams wrote: Hi Wes, Thanks for your comments. It looks like I might have managed to make the use of the proposed option less clear, instead of more clear. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the point that you're making. The mechanics of our system are

Re: [Int-area] [tcpm] draft-williams-overlaypath-ip-tcp-rfc

2012-12-20 Thread Brandon Williams
On 12/20/2012 04:04 PM, Wesley Eddy wrote: On 12/20/2012 3:49 PM, Brandon Williams wrote: Hi Wes, Thanks for your comments. It looks like I might have managed to make the use of the proposed option less clear, instead of more clear. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the point that you're making.