Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-07-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And what will happen when you save, close your application, and then reload the document? Wouldn't you expect your Ctrl-Alt-X to be remembered? That requires application support, there is no way[1] to do that using the toolkit. No, I wouldn't

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-07-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There is an old usenet tradition that is still honored by many modern mail clients. If you put a line containing just two dashes and a space (i.e. - -- ), many mail clients will understand that to mean that that's where the signature begins. As a

Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Dotan Cohen
Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Amos Shapira
2008/6/30 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 And if you bother doing it - consider using all the maximum of 20 votes you can put on each single bug. --Amos

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Amos Shapira
2008/6/30 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 And if you bother doing it - consider using all the maximum of 20 votes you can put on each single bug. --Amos

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Herouth Maoz
Quoting Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 What bothers me about this bug description is that you use the word alignment, and that really has nothing to do with the problem at hand,

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/30 Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 What bothers me about this bug description is that you use the word alignment, and that really has

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Herouth Maoz wrote: Quoting Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 What bothers me about this bug description is that you use the word alignment, and that really has nothing to do with the

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Diego Iastrubni
Hi Dotan, I have seen you bug sprint this week, don't worry :) However, bug 165406 talks about input controls,which in Qt4 do not have automatic direction detection. IMHO, this is a non important bug compared to 163459 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163459 This one renderes Plasma

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/30 Diego Iastrubni [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My suggestion? Nag the distributions. They have resources (=developers) which can be spent in this subject, they can really make a difference. So far, none of the distros are paying for a developer in the RTL/BiDI field - and this is why KDE4 and

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What bothers me even more is that this is just KDE working as it should. The bug is in kate and the rest of the programs that decided not to have bidi support. There is NO way to provide a generic solution to this problem at the toolkit level.

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Herouth Maoz
Quoting Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What bothers me even more is that this is just KDE working as it should. The bug is in kate and the rest of the programs that decided not to have bidi support. There is NO way to provide a generic solution to this problem at the toolkit level. Why? A

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Dotan Cohen wrote: At what level do you suggest that the directionality shortcut be added to KDE apps, as is the case in Mozilla apps? I will file a bug at the place that you suggest, Shachar. Thanks. Directionality is meaningless unless the application stores it somehow. This means that the

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Herouth Maoz wrote: Or am I missing something here? How will you supply round trip preservation of directionality (running program - disk - running program) if the application is unaware of the directionality? Shachar = To

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Dotan Cohen wrote: I put it there to parse incorrectly-encoded replies on mailing lists, which helps me refine the http://gibberish.co.il website. Love it! It's gibberish cookies encoding Not the most polite of things to do, but still brilliant. Shachar

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Herouth Maoz
Quoting Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Herouth Maoz wrote: Or am I missing something here? How will you supply round trip preservation of directionality (running program - disk - running program) if the application is unaware of the directionality? That's not the purpose here, and

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: P.s. Herouth is her first name Sorry, I did not even recognize that as a Hebrew name until not. The o and the h confused me into not recognizing it. Anyway, I'm sure in the army she was called Maoz by people less nice than me! Love it! It's

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Herouth Maoz wrote: Or am I missing something here? How will you supply round trip preservation of directionality (running program - disk - running program) if the application is unaware of the directionality? I'm not as technically inclined as

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Dotan Cohen wrote: I'm not as technically inclined as you, so I may be missing something obvious here, but I think that the application will know which direction because I tell it, via the keyboard shortcut. If it's LTR and I want RTL I hit Ctrl-Alt-X and vice versa. Try it in a Mozilla app.

Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user

2008-06-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Dotan Cohen wrote: Politeness is not my intention in the lines below my name. There is an old usenet tradition that is still honored by many modern mail clients. If you put a line containing just two dashes and a space (i.e. - -- ), many mail clients will understand that to mean that that's