Re: IO stats per process

2006-12-27 Thread Danny Lieberman
Amos That is a great answer for network connections. Thanks - I am familiar with netstat -p My question regards DISK IO, (remember when processes were said to be io-bound or cpu-bound?) I have a simply question, namely How many disk block reads and writes is a process doing over a given

Re: Keyboard shortcuts with Hebrew letters

2006-12-27 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 27/12/06, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/12/06, Ori Idan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems to me an X issue, however it is strange that on my system I can not reproduce this bug. I use debian unstable with x.org, with gnome 2.14.2 the bug does not appear nither in firefox nor

Re: Keyboard shortcuts with Hebrew letters

2006-12-27 Thread Chaim Keren Tzion
On Monday 18 December 2006 19:51, Dotan Cohen wrote: I've STFW and cannot find how to do what I need. I want that CTRL-[HebrewLetter] give the same functionality that CTRL-[EnglishLetter] gives. For instance, CTRL-ב should be copy, because ב shares a key with C. I use the KDE desktop, ... As

Re: IO stats per process

2006-12-27 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Danny Lieberman wrote: I have a simply question, namely How many disk block reads and writes is a process doing over a given period of time, and what is the minimum, maximum and average stats This seemingly trivial question (which can easily be answered in a Windows operating system using

Re: IO stats per process

2006-12-27 Thread Peter
I think that the gprof output and equivalent is the furthest one can go to appreciate IO stats. I simply measured disk system throughput (using hdparm etc) and then tuned my programs until they ran almost that fast, then stopped worrying. For other types of IO the maximum bandwidth can be

Re: IO stats per process

2006-12-27 Thread Danny Lieberman
Peter As a general approach for tuning a complex, working system, the first step is to identify bottlenecks under real load, that includes both IO rates per process and CPU rate per process. Your method is good for a static system where you have complete control of the applications - I am not

Re: IO stats per process

2006-12-27 Thread Danny Lieberman
Gilad I disagree that this is a situation dependent issue; I am aware of Linux o/s architecture, and I realize that caching is problematic. The topic appears in a note Andrew Morton wrote on his latest version of io-acccounting in kernel 2.6.something. Let's say (for the sake of argument, we

Re: IO stats per process

2006-12-27 Thread Peter
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, Danny Lieberman wrote: Peter As a general approach for tuning a complex, working system, the first step is to identify bottlenecks under real load, that includes both IO rates per process and CPU rate per process. Your method is good for a static system where you have

Re: IO stats per process

2006-12-27 Thread Danny Lieberman
Gilad One more input, which is important (imho) - this is a performance measurement / system tuning objective, not a system accounting application - i.e.we are not trying to charge someone for io usage ( i think they used to do that once upon a time). 10x dL Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:

Re: IO stats per process

2006-12-27 Thread Peter
I think that you should take a good look at the gperf etc output. (even time(bash)) gives some hints (e.g. system time of a program ~= IO load it produces, if IO is a major part of the runtime). Peter = To unsubscribe, send

Re: Keyboard shortcuts with Hebrew letters

2006-12-27 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 12/26/06, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/12/06, Ori Idan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems to me an X issue, however it is strange that on my system I can not reproduce this bug. I use debian unstable with x.org, with gnome 2.14.2 the bug does not appear nither in firefox

Re: IO stats per process

2006-12-27 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 04:31:02PM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote: Let's say (for the sake of argument, we do it the io-accounting way - i.e. count cache io) - the numbers will be skewed, but they will be skewed for everyone. I would settle for a io stats per process (similar to sar, perhaps)

Re: Keyboard shortcuts with Hebrew letters

2006-12-27 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On 12/27/06, Beni Cherniavsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that this is already partially fixed by the toolkits, most notably GTK. As Havoc Pennington already noted in the Mozilla bug 69230, Gtk has special code to handle it in the GtkKeyHash class:

Re: Keyboard shortcuts with Hebrew letters

2006-12-27 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 27/12/06, Ilya Konstantinov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/27/06, Beni Cherniavsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that this is already partially fixed by the toolkits, most notably GTK. As Havoc Pennington already noted in the Mozilla bug 69230, Gtk has special code to handle it in

Re: IO stats per process

2006-12-27 Thread Danny Lieberman
Muli Thanks. YDM. Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 04:31:02PM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote: Let's say (for the sake of argument, we do it the io-accounting way - i.e. count cache io) - the numbers will be skewed, but they will be skewed for everyone. I would settle for a io

Re: Keyboard shortcuts with Hebrew letters

2006-12-27 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On 12/27/06, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm willing to forego the convinience of having the Dvorak layout working like qwerty for modifier purposes Yeah, but we cannot fix a bug by introducing a bug for another user. To be precise, you may implement it into your private build of

Re: Keyboard shortcuts with Hebrew letters

2006-12-27 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 27/12/06, Ilya Konstantinov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/27/06, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm willing to forego the convinience of having the Dvorak layout working like qwerty for modifier purposes Yeah, but we cannot fix a bug by introducing a bug for another user. To be

Re: Israel TV

2006-12-27 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Amos Shapira, from the post of Wed, 27 Dec: On 19/12/06, Cyril SCETBON [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi people, Anyone has links to see streaming from israel with mplayer ? Haven't tried all but I think it should work: these also seem OK:

Re: Sign the Petition for a Better Internet!

2006-12-27 Thread Dan Armak
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 07:52, Amichai Rotman wrote: It would be nice to join forces and create a searchable database containing all Open Source / Free browsers non-friendly sites and companies, kind of an official black list to create pressure on said companies to make a change ASAP...

discountbank.net web site

2006-12-27 Thread Alex Gontmakher
Hi guys, I have recently been very pleased to notice that Bank Discount's online operations website (Telebank Discont) started to work with Firefox! This is a very welcome change, as it removes one of the last reasons to keep aroung Windows at all. I encourage you all to start using that

Fwd: discountbank.net web site

2006-12-27 Thread Constantine Shulyupin
http://wiki.osdc.org.il/ http://www.hackers.org.il/ On 12/28/06, Alex Gontmakher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 28 December 2006 03:18, you wrote: Let's collect a list of FireFox friendly sites (white list). It could give good example and encourage the rest to support FF. Good idea. Is

Re: Israel TV

2006-12-27 Thread Amos Shapira
On 28/12/06, Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone got more illegal links to post to the list? :-) Sorry, I wasn't aware that there is anything illegal about these links. I got them from a Tapuz Forum post, where Tapuz is particularly touchy about putting anything illegal (or even