[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Bill, 

I'm not convinced the custom will sell at a price I can live with so 
there's every possibility it shall remain with me. Selling the Clem would 
be a possibility but there's not much money in it, I'm not sure it would be 
worth the trouble. Also I just really like the Clem, I love the color and 
its utilitarian non-precious vibe. The truth is if I had known in 2018 what 
my riding preferences and mileage would be at 62-years-old I would heve 
just kept the Clem.L I had then and been happy. Who knew?? 路

Joe Bernard 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:07:53 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> What are the chances you'll leave it out there, change your mind and sell 
> the Clem instead?  That's the outcome I'm rooting for.  A Rivendell custom 
> is Grant creating a one-of-a-kind bike just for you.  A Clem is fungible.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Sam Hillborne 62 cm Sage or Black

[Robbie]

Looking to see if anybody is interested in parting with their older Sam. 
I'm interested in the 62 cm from the 2018 catalog with the canti posts in 
black or sage.

If this is you, please reach out! I've been riding an '85 Trek 620 and 
looking to move to something with a better fit, and of course, a Rivendell. 
Thanks in advance!

-Robbie

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[Brian Watts]

Howdy! I'm very excited to snag a Sam next Wednesday; I'll move over my 
Crust Romanceur bits: albatross, Paul Canti, White Ind. cranks etc. I'm so 
torn on the colors!! Fun bright periwinkle with more subdued accents or 
classic green with brown accents. INPUT??

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:14:34 AM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Howdy gang,
>
> After an unsuccessful attempt at finding a 58 Mustard Homer…I take 
> delivery of this size 57, new to me, Sam today! I am pumped, and it should 
> be an excellent canvas as a HiHo Silver specimen.
>
> I wanted to take a moment in light of recent scammy trends and briefly 
> introduce myself. Happy to answer any follow up questions as well.  
>
> I returned to bikes following a nominal investment in the bike 
> infrastructure by Oklahoma City leadership.  But the investment did at 
> least provide a system of trails and paved pathways that allows for a good 
> amount of riding off of the roadway.  
>
> Unfortunately, I have had close friends struck and killed by vehicles on 
> bikes and motorcycles.  The environment has to be nearly perfect for me to 
> feel even remotely comfortable touring on roads exclusively.  The level of 
> trust road cyclists have in the drivers passing by has always fascinated 
> me.  Driving is one of the most dangerous activities we can engage in. 
>  Anyhow enough of that.  
>
> I began with Surly bikes, then quickly to Crust bikes, and finally…thanks 
> to Blue Lug photography inspiration, a 58 Homer.  
>
> The Homer is currently my favorite Riv.  I have owned an orange Ram that 
> was slightly too tall and an Atlantis 2 that could have worked but required 
> some significant frame repair.  Sold both bikes to Jarrod Bunk, an 
> incredible person and former owner of Hope Cyclery. 
>
> James knocked out the Homer build and Rich built a White/dynamo Quill 
> wheelset. The bike fit like a tailored suit.  My build was loosely modeled 
> after the interpretation of James Homer prior to his latest Staff bike 
> mods.  
>
> Why did I sell it?  Possibly the very cool buyer, maybe an attempt to cull 
> bikes that couldn’t perform as well in NWA dirt touring (what was I 
> thinking?), impulse, maybe some guilt in owning more bikes than my Wife (my 
> best bud).  I do regret selling it.  But always forward. 
>
> I traded a Crust Bombora for the Sam that I realized very quickly I was 
> attempting to make more comfortable and upright like my Homer. I 
> acknowledged this and happily traded.  Hence the remaining ENVE wheels and 
> White crankset I posted on the group recently. 
>
> Let’s see, I have more than a few kiddos, three of the kids now ride also 
> which is such a joy and I also train BJJ, weight lift/run.  
>
> Some questions…
>
> The cockpit worked well for me, with an 80mm lugged stem and 90 reach 
> Crust Shaka bar.  
>
> I have received some helpful feedback already regarding this Sam.  I would 
> like to have a similar cockpit, if not the same with a Noodle or Shaka bar. 
> Do I need a shorter stem?
>
> I have a new 85mm 90-190 stem.  I wouldn’t mind running the Shaka again. 
>  Or snag a 70/80 stem to try the Noodle?
>
> Either way, I hope to buy a longer lugged stem from Jim and pick up an 
> Albatross down the road.  I certainly hope to try that one day. 
>
> Anyone have any feedback on the H SON PLUS wheelset?  No experience beyond 
> Velocity and Crust wheels.  Also my first experience with Campy. 
>
> Will also be switching the saddle, seatpost, pedals, adding Moon Units, 
> cages, and cable cherries.
>
> Photos of my previous Homer, and the Sam as it will arrive (hopefully)…
>
> Hope everyone is having a great week so far. 
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> [image: image1.jpeg]Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2024, at 12:30 AM, Tom  wrote:
>
> 
> 
>
>
> 
>
> <2_sams.JPG>
>
>
> Been a long while since I've posted here...I'm getting back to biking more 
> these days, and enjoying reading about these wonderful bikes, esp. those of 
> the newcomers to the Riv family.
>
> The Sam is my favorite Riv.  The ol' 58 with albatross bars in the last 
> pic used to be mine until my wife decided she needed it.  So I got another 
> 58, set it up with a noodle bar and really enjoyed it.  For various reasons 
> I sold my 58 and dabbled with a several other Riv models for a while.  They 
> were fun, too!  
>
> But I missed that Sam.  
>
> Late in 2019 Riv had a great deal on a batch of older Sams, so a 62 dbl 
> top tube f/f/hs found its way into my garage, and I built it up.  Still 
> have it and recently began to enjoy it greatly as a relaxed run-a-bout.
>
> But I still miss that 58 with noodle bar.  If anyone has one (or a 57 
> Roadini) please let me know.  Thanks!
>
> Tom
>
>  
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 1:35:39 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>> After seeing various Sam owners pictures here and there on various 
>> threads I thought I would start a thread dedicated to the versatile Sam's.
>>
>> Perhaps such a thread 

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Kim H.]

@Jay,

I have been a roadie for 53 years. I retired my road bike sixteen years 
ago. I was growing old. I became tired of riding in the drops. I wanted to 
ride upright. My posture in my neck and shoulders were hunched over. 

Over the many years, it became a struggle with me trying to find a bicycle 
that I could fall in love with again. I went through about four different 
bicycles. 

In the fall of 2022, I purchased my first Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
bicycle. It was a 59cm. Over the course of a little over a year, I 
concluded that the 59cm size was not working for me. It was too large. I 
sold it. I found and bought a 52cm Clem as a "Demo" at RBW headquarters 
last November.  

Since then, I have adapted very well in riding the 52cm Clem. It fits me a 
lot better than the 59cm. I am very happy with it. I have the Nitto Bosco 
58cm handlebars. These bars I really love for an upright riding position. I 
have zero weight bearing down on them. All my weight is on the seat and 
back tire. When I come home from my rides, I feel my posture is a lot 
straighter, than before. 

I ride mostly pavement on the nearby trails near where I live. 
Occasionally, I will go off road, when the feeling for adventure strikes me.

The only problem I have is a personal issue in discomfort with the loss of 
subcutaneous fat on my bum riding my saddle at 69 years old. I am nearing a 
resolution with optimism. 

Kim Hetzel. 

As one grows older, the handlebars get higher and the gears get lower.

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:15:45 PM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:

> What Doug said, almost exactly x2.
> Long time Roadie here but transitioned to MTB about 15 years ago - now 69. 
> Never had serious issues with properly fit road bike. But after a lot of 
> MTB riding it never felt right again. However, I started having pretty 
> serious hand/wrist issues with straight MTB bars. Bought my Clem to have 
> something comfortable to ride when not mountain biking. Instantly 
> comfortable for all rides/surfaces and for up to six+ hours. So I got a Gus 
> to have a swept back MTB. Both are superbly comfortable. Now I am back 
> riding road/gravel when I do not want to drive to the trail. But when I do 
> drive to the trail it’s more fun than ever.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 8, 2024, at 9:45 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> When I bought my Clem Smith Jr it was a revelation in riding. I had 
> ridden mostly drop bars for many years and like you I would have shoulder 
> and neck pain after long rides. The Clem with Tosco bars and an upright 
> riding position solved my aches and pains immediately. I also discovered I 
> could ride for 3 hours without pain and my mileage wasn't much less than 
> with a "road bike". I recently bought a Roadini with drop bars. The bars 
> were up nice and high so I don't think I would have experienced neck or 
> shoulder pain. But, I decided to swap the drop bars for Albatross bars. 
> Swept back bars are my preferred and only bars now.  This is what works for 
> me but I don't recommend it to people necessarily. I just share my 
> experience and preferences if asked. Another thing about an upright posture 
> is being able to take in the scenery better as I ride. Like I said, it was 
> a revelation for me and has transformed my riding experience.
>
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:28:41 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>
>> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
>> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
>> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
>> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
>> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
>> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
>> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
>> better?
>>
>> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't 
>> thought long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly. 
>>  Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.
>>
>> *Quick background*
>> - been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
>> - started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
>> tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
>> like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
>> have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
>> 'gravel' bikes/riding
>> - I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and 
>> this leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position 
>> on the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
>> training; have had numerous bike fits
>> - I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
>> made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
>> - I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding 

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Richard Rose]

What Doug said, almost exactly x2.Long time Roadie here but transitioned to MTB about 15 years ago - now 69. Never had serious issues with properly fit road bike. But after a lot of MTB riding it never felt right again. However, I started having pretty serious hand/wrist issues with straight MTB bars. Bought my Clem to have something comfortable to ride when not mountain biking. Instantly comfortable for all rides/surfaces and for up to six+ hours. So I got a Gus to have a swept back MTB. Both are superbly comfortable. Now I am back riding road/gravel when I do not want to drive to the trail. But when I do drive to the trail it’s more fun than ever.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 8, 2024, at 9:45 PM, Doug H.  wrote:When I bought my Clem Smith Jr it was a revelation in riding. I had ridden mostly drop bars for many years and like you I would have shoulder and neck pain after long rides. The Clem with Tosco bars and an upright riding position solved my aches and pains immediately. I also discovered I could ride for 3 hours without pain and my mileage wasn't much less than with a "road bike". I recently bought a Roadini with drop bars. The bars were up nice and high so I don't think I would have experienced neck or shoulder pain. But, I decided to swap the drop bars for Albatross bars. Swept back bars are my preferred and only bars now.  This is what works for me but I don't recommend it to people necessarily. I just share my experience and preferences if asked. Another thing about an upright posture is being able to take in the scenery better as I ride. Like I said, it was a revelation for me and has transformed my riding experience.DougOn Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:28:41 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be better?I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't thought long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly.  Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.Quick background- been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)- started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 'gravel' bikes/riding- I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and this leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position on the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength training; have had numerous bike fits- I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom made and really does fit like a glove, for road)- I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after (could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times spring-fall and more in the winter.  But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes tired as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, leading to upper body aches/pains (while riding, and after).  Takes a lot of stretching and awareness to reset.  This is what I'm trying to resolve (move from 75% to 99%)My guess is that even with a bike like the Roadini or Salsa, with bars about level with the saddle, and even with a professional fitting on each, when I want to ride but I'm lacking energy, it goes poorly.  But is that because these bikes are "kind of" aggressive (when compared to say a spine angle closer to 70% and swept back bars)?  Or is it simply a combination of age, history of some 'issues', low on energy and thus bad posture kicks in, and would any bike be a joy to ride, or should I just go for a walk on those days!?I would love to hear from those who ride both drop bars and also swept back (or similar) in a way more relaxed geometry, or those who transitioned to mainly this style, because it almost fully resolved your issues, if they're anyway similar to mine.  On a day when you're not feeling it, but you have to commute or just love to ride, do you leave the drop bar bike in the garage and hop on your 

Re: [RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen Photo Thread

[Eric Marth]

Paul has neglected to share the beautiful patina that his bronze headbadge 
has acquired. Trust me, it's really good! 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 2:00:12 PM UTC-4 Paul Richardson wrote:

> here's mine--a 67cm waterford i've had since 2011, and had repainted in 
> wisconsin last year (just in time!).  it's the best bike in the world.  
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>

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[RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Doug H.]

When I bought my Clem Smith Jr it was a revelation in riding. I had ridden 
mostly drop bars for many years and like you I would have shoulder and neck 
pain after long rides. The Clem with Tosco bars and an upright riding 
position solved my aches and pains immediately. I also discovered I could 
ride for 3 hours without pain and my mileage wasn't much less than with a 
"road bike". I recently bought a Roadini with drop bars. The bars were up 
nice and high so I don't think I would have experienced neck or shoulder 
pain. But, I decided to swap the drop bars for Albatross bars. Swept back 
bars are my preferred and only bars now.  This is what works for me but I 
don't recommend it to people necessarily. I just share my experience and 
preferences if asked. Another thing about an upright posture is being able 
to take in the scenery better as I ride. Like I said, it was a revelation 
for me and has transformed my riding experience.
Doug

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:28:41 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
> better?
>
> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't 
> thought long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly. 
>  Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.
>
> *Quick background*
> - been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
> - started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
> tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
> like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
> have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
> 'gravel' bikes/riding
> - I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and 
> this leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position 
> on the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
> training; have had numerous bike fits
> - I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
> made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
> - I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
> particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.
>
> On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during 
> the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after 
> (could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I 
> feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times 
> spring-fall and more in the winter.  
>
> But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes tired 
> as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and 
> probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms 
> which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, leading to upper body 
> aches/pains (while riding, and after).  Takes a lot of stretching and 
> awareness to reset.  *This is what I'm trying to resolve (move from 75% 
> to 99%)*
>
> My guess is that even with a bike like the Roadini or Salsa, with bars 
> about level with the saddle, and even with a professional fitting on each, 
> when I want to ride but I'm lacking energy, it goes poorly.  But is that 
> because these bikes are "kind of" aggressive (when compared to say a spine 
> angle closer to 70% and swept back bars)?  Or is it simply a combination of 
> age, history of some 'issues', low on energy and thus bad posture kicks in, 
> and would any bike be a joy to ride, or should I just go for a walk on 
> those days!?
>
> I would love to hear from those who ride both drop bars and also swept 
> back (or similar) in a way more relaxed geometry, or those who transitioned 
> to mainly this style, because it almost fully resolved your issues, if 
> they're anyway similar to mine.  *On a day when you're not feeling it, 
> but you have to commute or just love to ride, do you leave the drop bar 
> bike in the garage and hop on your more relaxed bike, and thus avoid most 
> of the issues you would have had on the other (slightly more aggressive) 
> bike?*
>

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[RBW] Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Jay]

I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
better?

I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't thought 
long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly.  Hopefully you 
get where I'm coming from.

*Quick background*
- been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
- started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
'gravel' bikes/riding
- I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and this 
leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position on 
the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
training; have had numerous bike fits
- I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
- I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.

On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during 
the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after 
(could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I 
feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times 
spring-fall and more in the winter.  

But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes tired 
as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and 
probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms 
which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, leading to upper body 
aches/pains (while riding, and after).  Takes a lot of stretching and 
awareness to reset.  *This is what I'm trying to resolve (move from 75% to 
99%)*

My guess is that even with a bike like the Roadini or Salsa, with bars 
about level with the saddle, and even with a professional fitting on each, 
when I want to ride but I'm lacking energy, it goes poorly.  But is that 
because these bikes are "kind of" aggressive (when compared to say a spine 
angle closer to 70% and swept back bars)?  Or is it simply a combination of 
age, history of some 'issues', low on energy and thus bad posture kicks in, 
and would any bike be a joy to ride, or should I just go for a walk on 
those days!?

I would love to hear from those who ride both drop bars and also swept back 
(or similar) in a way more relaxed geometry, or those who transitioned to 
mainly this style, because it almost fully resolved your issues, if they're 
anyway similar to mine.  *On a day when you're not feeling it, but you have 
to commute or just love to ride, do you leave the drop bar bike in the 
garage and hop on your more relaxed bike, and thus avoid most of the issues 
you would have had on the other (slightly more aggressive) bike?*

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[christian poppell]

Grant wrote a blagh about making custom grips a while back: 
https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/grips-the-hard-way-how-to

He used felt as a padding under the cloth tape. I set up my wife's bike 
this way and it was quite comfortable. 

We also have our tandem set up with a barcon and ESI grips. Just slipped 
the grip over the cable using a little alcohol. I have not used cloth tape 
over them but it seems like it would work about the same as the felt. 

Good luck! 
Christian
Phoenix, AZ
On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:09:19 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> These suggestions are all really helpful and I appreciate it. I decided to 
> try splitting a set of Chunky ESI grips. I just got them installed and 
> wrapped Newbaums around each. The bottom of the grip has a flat area 
> because I couldn't squeeze the grips back together. These really are just 
> big enough for a handlebar and they kind of open up when split. I think I'm 
> going to like it but need to do a few rides to make sure. I'll report back.
> Doug
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 6:02 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Hey Doug,
>>
>> I've got ESI grips on my Atlantis with bar-end shifters. I have my cable 
>> running underneath the grips but not through them. Kind of like how the 
>> cable housing runs along the bottom of the cork grips Riv sells. Then 
>> Neubaums wrapped around and shellacked. I find them very comfortable.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 2:14:58 PM UTC-7 tio ryan wrote:
>>
>>> I was able to squeeze extra chunky ESI grips over the bar end 
>>> shifter/cable on my albas, but I didn't love those grips (slippery and not 
>>> durable). 
>>>
>>> I didn't notch the grip to provide a channel for the cable, and as 
>>> nitpicky as I can be, I really didn't find it to be an annoyance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> my suggestion would be to use plenty of alcohol on the inside of the 
>>> grip when installing :) 
>>>
>>> -tio in bk 
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>>>
 I love cheapo cork grips on albatross bars. The kind of grip with cork 
 grains glued together into a cushy mass. For example: 
 https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/242114-cardiff-grips-gryfed-cork-6386

 I think Ergon cork grips would work great too, I've just never used 
 them.
 -Wes
 On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:37:14 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I 
> also installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for 
> grips but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used 
> padding or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've 
> also considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. 
> Any 
> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
> Doug
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[RBW] Re: 007 Rescued!

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

very nice, especially the headtube.  The paint at the lugs looks great and 
not heavy. 

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:52:36 PM UTC-4 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> I bought this Saluki, serial #007, used in 03 or 4.  It soon became my go 
> to ride, but after another twenty years on dirt roads the frame showed a 
> lot of wear and tear.  I hated sacrificing the beautiful yellow decals but 
> am thrilled by what a good color match and quality job RaceMetalSmith of 
> White River Jct. VT did.  Next up, rebuild and a sweet ride.
> [image: IMG_2615.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[Doug H.]

These suggestions are all really helpful and I appreciate it. I decided to
try splitting a set of Chunky ESI grips. I just got them installed and
wrapped Newbaums around each. The bottom of the grip has a flat area
because I couldn't squeeze the grips back together. These really are just
big enough for a handlebar and they kind of open up when split. I think I'm
going to like it but need to do a few rides to make sure. I'll report back.
Doug

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 6:02 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Hey Doug,
>
> I've got ESI grips on my Atlantis with bar-end shifters. I have my cable
> running underneath the grips but not through them. Kind of like how the
> cable housing runs along the bottom of the cork grips Riv sells. Then
> Neubaums wrapped around and shellacked. I find them very comfortable.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 2:14:58 PM UTC-7 tio ryan wrote:
>
>> I was able to squeeze extra chunky ESI grips over the bar end
>> shifter/cable on my albas, but I didn't love those grips (slippery and not
>> durable).
>>
>> I didn't notch the grip to provide a channel for the cable, and as
>> nitpicky as I can be, I really didn't find it to be an annoyance.
>>
>>
>>
>> my suggestion would be to use plenty of alcohol on the inside of the grip
>> when installing :)
>>
>> -tio in bk
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> I love cheapo cork grips on albatross bars. The kind of grip with cork
>>> grains glued together into a cushy mass. For example:
>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/242114-cardiff-grips-gryfed-cork-6386
>>>
>>> I think Ergon cork grips would work great too, I've just never used them.
>>> -Wes
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:37:14 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I
 also installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for
 grips but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used
 padding or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've
 also considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any
 examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
 Doug

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[RBW] Re: List Admin Message: Kerfuffle of the week and what to do about scammy folks

[Armand Kizirian]

Thank you Jim! 

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 1:37:09 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> I would say a good rule of thumb:
> - An offer which begins as a DM
> - The offer comes from someone who has no posts in the group
> = "Run Away!"
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 12:56:20 PM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Would it be possible to list the names of the scammers somewhere? Just 
>> for those initiated contact by a private message prior to the ban. 
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 1:46:25 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all - 
>>>
>>> I just removed another person who listed an item and appears to have 
>>> been harvesting internet images and presenting them as their own. That's 
>>> not OK. 
>>>
>>> This has happened pretty infrequently on this group, and it always a 
>>> minor PITA to deal with. 
>>>
>>> All of which has me wanting to tighten down the listing of for sale 
>>> items for new members. These problems always stem from some "enterprising" 
>>> individual who joins the group and tries to post a for sale item 
>>> immediately. I can count on one hand the times that some "known" group 
>>> member acted inappropriately in a transaction.
>>>
>>> The way in which we've avoided this in the past is by asking folks to 
>>> engage on the list first, and use it as a way to rehome items second. I'm 
>>> going to be a lot more rigid about that now. 
>>>
>>> I'll update the list info to reflect this in stronger language, but if 
>>> your first post is a For Sale item, I won't be passing it through the 
>>> queue. If you would like to offer items to other members, please engage 
>>> with the community for a while (purposefully vague...) and demonstrate that 
>>> you aren't simply here to cash in. 
>>>
>>> So - deep breath everyone. 
>>>
>>> Thanks to those who shared more than just conjecture. That clarified the 
>>> issue in this case. That's important data. 
>>>
>>> As for potential or new members who just want to sell gear and not be 
>>> part of this community - there's ebay or other marketplaces which protect 
>>> you and the buyer, as well as more transactionally focused groups. Please 
>>> use those. 
>>>
>>> Other than that, we're coming into riding season. Go get some miles in.
>>>
>>> Jim / List-admin
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Snake-in-a-bike

[Ted Durant]

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 3:05:40 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

As I recall someone was touring in Indonesia and one morning was shocked to 
find this critter checking out their touring bike.


Yikes! 

My story is far less scary. My first time doing a S24O with Grant we rode 
up the paved side of Mt Diablo then headed down the back side on the trail. 
For some reason I was the first rider going down a dip then up a little 
rise, at the top of which was a rattlesnake sunning itself in the middle of 
the path. Luckily I had slowed down going up the rise and was able to stop 
in time. The others pulled up behind me; it regarded us for a bit then 
slithered away at a leisurely pace.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA 

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[RBW] Re: 007 Rescued!

[Robert Calton]

Lovely frame and a great job by them for sure!

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:52:36 PM UTC-4 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> I bought this Saluki, serial #007, used in 03 or 4.  It soon became my go 
> to ride, but after another twenty years on dirt roads the frame showed a 
> lot of wear and tear.  I hated sacrificing the beautiful yellow decals but 
> am thrilled by what a good color match and quality job RaceMetalSmith of 
> White River Jct. VT did.  Next up, rebuild and a sweet ride.
> [image: IMG_2615.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[John Rinker]

Hey Doug,

I've got ESI grips on my Atlantis with bar-end shifters. I have my cable 
running underneath the grips but not through them. Kind of like how the 
cable housing runs along the bottom of the cork grips Riv sells. Then 
Neubaums wrapped around and shellacked. I find them very comfortable.

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 2:14:58 PM UTC-7 tio ryan wrote:

> I was able to squeeze extra chunky ESI grips over the bar end 
> shifter/cable on my albas, but I didn't love those grips (slippery and not 
> durable). 
>
> I didn't notch the grip to provide a channel for the cable, and as 
> nitpicky as I can be, I really didn't find it to be an annoyance.
>
>
>
> my suggestion would be to use plenty of alcohol on the inside of the grip 
> when installing :) 
>
> -tio in bk 
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>
>> I love cheapo cork grips on albatross bars. The kind of grip with cork 
>> grains glued together into a cushy mass. For example: 
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/242114-cardiff-grips-gryfed-cork-6386
>>
>> I think Ergon cork grips would work great too, I've just never used them.
>> -Wes
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:37:14 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
>>> installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
>>> but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
>>> or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
>>> considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
>>> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Snake-in-a-bike

[John Rinker]

Ha! Great story and really nice photos. it's always good to make new 
friends!

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:05:40 PM UTC-7 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> That is remarkable.
> Thanks for capturing and sharing the pics.
>
> I first saw this pic years ago during the time I did a few bicycle tours.
>
> As I recall someone was touring in Indonesia and one morning was shocked 
> to find this critter checking out their touring bike.
>
> How would you go about shooing that beast away so you could begin the days 
> ride?
>
> Paul in Dallas 
> liam_box on instagram 
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[tio ryan]

I was able to squeeze extra chunky ESI grips over the bar end shifter/cable 
on my albas, but I didn't love those grips (slippery and not durable). 

I didn't notch the grip to provide a channel for the cable, and as nitpicky 
as I can be, I really didn't find it to be an annoyance.



my suggestion would be to use plenty of alcohol on the inside of the grip 
when installing :) 

-tio in bk 
On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> I love cheapo cork grips on albatross bars. The kind of grip with cork 
> grains glued together into a cushy mass. For example: 
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/242114-cardiff-grips-gryfed-cork-6386
>
> I think Ergon cork grips would work great too, I've just never used them.
> -Wes
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:37:14 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
>> installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
>> but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
>> or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
>> considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
>> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
>> Doug
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[Robert Calton]

If you want cork grips that support bar end shifters, I can't recommend 
highly enough Meisha's cork grips. You see them on a lot of Rivs but 
nowhere stateside stocks them, including Riv (who I believe used to stock 
them). 

You can now get them from Blue Lug 
here: 
https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-miesha-s-portuguese-tree-cork-grips-sifter.html.
 
Use some twine with them. They feel great and look even better. 
On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> I love cheapo cork grips on albatross bars. The kind of grip with cork 
> grains glued together into a cushy mass. For example: 
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/242114-cardiff-grips-gryfed-cork-6386
>
> I think Ergon cork grips would work great too, I've just never used them.
> -Wes
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:37:14 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
>> installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
>> but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
>> or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
>> considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
>> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
>> Doug
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[Wesley]

I love cheapo cork grips on albatross bars. The kind of grip with cork 
grains glued together into a cushy mass. For 
example: https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/242114-cardiff-grips-gryfed-cork-6386

I think Ergon cork grips would work great too, I've just never used them.
-Wes
On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:37:14 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
> installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
> but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
> or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
> considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
> Doug
>

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[RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[DavidP]

I'd imagine you'd want to slice the grips anyway to provide a channel for 
the shift cables to run through, so slicing then wrapping should be fine. 

You could also twine along with bar tape. Here are a few variations on 
that: 
https://bluelug.com/bike-catalog/16815/
https://bluelug.com/bike-catalog/16524/
https://bluelug.com/bike-catalog/16827/
https://bluelug.com/bike-catalog/16521/

-Dave

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:37:14 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
> installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
> but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
> or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
> considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
> Doug
>

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[RBW] Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[Doug H.]

Hi all,
I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
Doug

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Bill Lindsay]

What are the chances you'll leave it out there, change your mind and sell 
the Clem instead?  That's the outcome I'm rooting for.  A Rivendell custom 
is Grant creating a one-of-a-kind bike just for you.  A Clem is fungible.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Eric M.'s new video: Shop tour, favorite workshops, tool organization and my next bicycle build

[Eric Marth]

JohnS: Thanks for the pics, nice looking Bolt there, love all the brown. 
How's the Swift? Or is that a Swallow? I need a brown saddle for my 
Hillborne and like the fit of the black Brooks Pro I have. Love the shop 
and the grainy photos! That's the stuff. Thanks for sharing. 

George: Well that's a beautiful level you have there, are you sure you want 
to go through the trouble of sending it my way? Have you checked it for 
accuracy? Sometimes those old spirit levels can have problems with the 
vials and bubbles. I have a full set of Stabila levels so I am equipped 
though that old Stanley sure is handsome... 

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 1:50:22 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Eric - since you have a fascination with old tools that kind of have class 
> or character, would you be interested in this very old *wooden* carpenter's 
> level?  I believe that it belonged to my great uncle who was a physician, 
> not a tradesman, but someone who used to like working with wood and doing a 
> lot of things by himself as an amateur handyman.  On the metal parts it 
> says "Stanley rule and level."  There are no inch markings anyplace, but 
> the dimensions are suspiciously identical to what a carpenter would use for 
> measuring typical construction widths and lengths: it's 2 ft. long x 3.125" 
> wide x 1.325" thick.  It can be yours for the asking if you're interested.  
> I'm trying to get rid of as much of my stash of stuff as possible as I head 
> into the mid-70's.
>
> [image: DSCN1050.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 8:47:48 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> JohnS: I clicked the link and got a 404. Would love to see the Bolt, 
>> those are really sweet bikes. 
>>
>> Steve: Thanks, bud! Rob Gassie removed the bottom bracket, he's the frame 
>> builder who stripped and painted the bike for me. He said he put the frame 
>> in his alignment table (really big fixture, lots of clamps, allowed for 
>> maximum torque) and was able to bust it loose. I don't know the origins of 
>> my Sam but there were many details about the build that leave me thinking 
>> it was not originally assembled very carefully. 
>>
>> Roberta: Thank you for watching! Garden's looking even better now, just a 
>> few weeks later. Though I noticed yesterday a groundhog ate one of my 
>> coleus plants. 
>>
>> George: Thank you thank you. The glasses are a P3 shape but I didn't 
>> think the lenses were particularly thick? I think of pop bottle glasses as 
>> having the effect of looking through the bottom of an old glass Coca-Cola 
>> bottle... I still wear glasses, wearing them right now. My hair's naturally 
>> pretty dark but I haven't had a haircut since Nov 2022 and I spend a lot of 
>> time in the sun so it's lighter from exposure.  
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-4 george schick wrote:
>>
>>> Eric - an excellent filming of your workshop and exterior plantings.  
>>> What a nice place to live and do your work.  I was reminded, though, of a 
>>> similar but not quite as professional episode as this one from several 
>>> years ago where you were doing a rebuild of a mixte that your "partner's" 
>>> parents gave her - some Japanese manufacturer, I think.  I recognized that 
>>> the scenes of your shop are the same as your current video, but it's a 
>>> "different Eric Marth!"  Pop bottle glasses, dark hair, etc.  What happened?
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 10:00:47 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks everyone for watchin'! 

 Marty: The Match Game was before my time but I certainly came up with 
 Bob Barker. The $20 corded mic I bought just didn't seem right clipped to 
 my shirt so I went for the long mic. 

 Patrick: I appreciate the kind notes. Sorry about the SW gardening 
 woes, I know nothing of gardening in that clime. I've had my own troubles 
 here! I was in a different house about 10 years ago and the garden was a 
 lot of work but it was abundant and without many difficulties. The soil 
 and 
 sun are different in this spot and growing has taken a lot of trial and 
 error. I'm finally getting the hang of things. A groundhog just showed up 
 on the scene, I saw them (unsure if it's a male or female) heartily eating 
 some lettuce while sitting in the raised bed earlier this week! It's 
 fenced 
 off but they found a way in. I have to admit it was kind of cute, holding 
 a 
 huge piece of lettuce, but it still left me cursing. I'm glad you like the 
 tools!

 On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Oh, and I forwarded the video link to Jeremiah; he will appreciate it.
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Brevet Report: The Antelope Island 300k

[Brady Smith]

Thanks everyone! As it happens, the storm the blew in on the heels of my
ride so buried the pass that we had to swap routes for Saturday, and I’m
the lone Antelope Island 300k finisher for 2024. Hopefully everyone is
blessed with tailwinds for Saturday.

Happy trails!

BMS

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 5:29 PM RichS  wrote:

> Brady, I admire your fortitude. That's a ride to remember. Thank you for
> sharing your story and the photos.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:17:58 PM UTC-4 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> A few weeks ago I wrote about my first brevet of the season, in which
>> good training and great conditions produced a 200k for the ages, at least
>> for me.
>>
>> Yesterday's ride was a challenge of a different sort.
>>
>> The real Antelope Island 300k sets off this coming Saturday. I decided to
>> pre-ride the course because I'll be in Washington DC with 80 8th graders
>> this coming weekend, an endurance test, to be sure, but of a somewhat
>> different kind.
>>
>> We've had beautiful weather this week in the Salt Lake Valley, but it's
>> been, quite literally, the calm before the storm. As I did some final
>> planning on Friday, I started noticing winter weather advisories for the
>> Wasatch mountains Sunday into Monday. At first I didn't make much of it,
>> since I was planning on riding on Saturday, and since winter weather can
>> happen all the way through May in this part of the country. But then I
>> remembered what always happens when big storms roll through the valley--big
>> winds come along with them.
>>
>> I noticed almost as soon as I started up Emigration Canyon alongside our
>> RBA, who graciously volunteered to accompany me for the first twenty miles
>> or so of the ride--a gusty, noticeable breeze from the east, the opposite
>> direction that winds usually blow in these parts. It calmed a bit as we got
>> to the middle of the canyon--a 7 mile climb or so--and then disappeared as
>> we made our way up towards Big Mountain Pass, a 7400 foot summit that marks
>> the end of the first big ascent on the route.
>>
>> Ken, our RBA, had wondered aloud about continuing on, but decided against
>> it due to family obligations. He did not miss the fast descent that usually
>> greets riders on the east side of Big Mountain Pass, because, as we had
>> suspected, it had not yet been cleared by the UDOT, probably because, like
>> us, they could read the forecast, and saw that a foot or two of snow was
>> due to fall over the mountains in the coming days. It was not completely
>> covered in snow, but there were five or six significant snowdrifts impeding
>> progress down the mountain. A ten minute descent turned into thirty minutes
>> of intermittent riding and hiking.
>>
>> It didn't seem to be a particularly big deal at that point, and the next
>> 35 miles or so were nothing short of serene. From the base of Big Mountain
>> one continues past East Canyon reservoir and along the vast expanse of the
>> Morgan Valley, a 30 mile downhill section, at which point the 20 mile, 3400
>> foot ascent that greets riders at the start of this route seems to be
>> redeemed. I blew through this section, finding myself in Mountain Green
>> well before lunch, and then up and over Trapper's Loop Road, the second big
>> climb of the route, in fairly swift time.
>>
>> After meandering through the upper Ogden Valley, I came across, around
>> mile 80, what I hoped was the last big test of this ride--the North Ogden
>> Divide. You can see it clearly as you approach the backside of the Wasatch
>> Mountains, a tiny line etched precariously in the mountainside, only 2
>> miles long from where the climb really starts to the top of the mountain,
>> but a 2 miles that proceeds upwards at a steady 10%. It's also narrow, and
>> presaged by a sign saying something to the effect of "Steep grades and
>> sharp curves. Not Recommended for Cyclists." (As if in penance, there is a
>> "Share the Road" sign immediately after, but based on the angry shouts of
>> one pickup driver heading down the mountain opposite, not one motorists pay
>> much attention to.)
>>
>> I shifted immediately into my 30-32 low gear and started upwards, one eye
>> on the road ahead, another in my mirror, making sure that the occasional
>> vehicle coming up behind me looked like it was going to give me adequate
>> space. It's fair to say that this was the hardest climb I've ever
>> completed, at least when accounting for the fact that I'd already done 80
>> miles and 6000 feet of elevation at this point in the ride. It was
>> borderline nauseating making my way up the mountainside, the stress of the
>> ascent only partially atoned for by the stunning views of the valley off to
>> the south. When there was space I occasionally started zig-zagging up the
>> mountain, trying to relieve some of the strain on my legs and lungs, then
>> getting over when traffic appeared in my mirror behind me. At long last, I
>> made it to the top.
>>
>> The descent was 

Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Steve]

Thanks for your reply Ted. The WTB tpu tubes I recently mounted up came 
packaged with 'O' rings at about the midpoint of the stems. I wasn't quite 
sure of their purpose - finally decided they were to protect the stem-tube 
junction from contacting the edge of the rim hole and installed them the 
same way you did. 

Your experience with RH tubes makes me a bit wary of trying them. If and 
when I finally get around to purchasing tpu tubes for my Platypus with 
Velocity Quill rime I'll probably stick with the WTBs. So far I've been 
pleased with them on my Ritchey (I9 AR25 rims). I've only logged about 50 
miles on them so far, but it's all been on graveled forest roads and a few 
miles of single track. I've been inflating the 700c x 48mm RH knobbies to 
25psi. 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 11:18:55 AM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

>
> On May 7, 2024, at 9:49 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
> Ted,  in an attempt yo educate myself in installation of these tubes, may 
> I ask did your RH tubes come packaged with an 'O' ring on the stem?  If so, 
> did you install it inside or outside of the rim?  
>
>
>
> O-ring is on the stem, right at the junction with the tube. I left it 
> there.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Snake-in-a-bike

[Michael Morrissey]

That is very cool and unusual! 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:19:19 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Wow! Very vivid snake. Amazed it got in and out without injury. Awesome 
> photos. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:29:45 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>
>> Good story Allan! Grant would appreciate this. He occasionally posts 
>> snake pictures in his BLAHG.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:36:41 AM UTC-4 Allan McLane wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a tale from the “Well, I never thought I’d see that” department… 
>>>
>>> This afternoon I was out on the Yvez Gomez, exercising the dog, when we 
>>> encountered a smooth green snake (Opheodrys vernalis), sunning itself in 
>>> the middle of the road. I stopped next to the snake to maneuver it to the 
>>> side but it decided to climb up my back wheel spokes and inspect the 
>>> interior of the cassette instead. After several failed attempts to nudge it 
>>> along, it exited the cassette, went forward along the chainstay, and 
>>> completely entered the fender, going up. 
>>>
>>> To extract it from the inside of the fender I slowly rolled the bike 
>>> backwards until the snake popped out the rear and onto the ground. At this 
>>> point it had gotten the message well and slithered off into the stone wall. 
>>>
>>> For the curious, full photo documentation here:
>>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBpqQB
>>> 
>>>
>>> Allan in Marlboro, Vt
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Sarah - thanks! Are you thinking of getting one?
On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:30:15 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!
>
> Sarah
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and many 
>> others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. 
>>
>> I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when I 
>> was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase was 
>> also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and the 
>> club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But I am 
>> introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few folks 
>> with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip with 
>> HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I enjoy 
>> the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any expectation 
>> of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, started by 
>> doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and offers trips 
>> across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, fully 
>> supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if that ever 
>> interests you or anyone else reading this. 
>>
>> My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: 
>> Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.
>>
>> To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant compared to 
>> the too small, too stiff, carbon-framed, low-barred, skinny-tired road bike 
>> I was persuaded to get when I moved to Boulder to fit in on rides with 
>> various clubs. That bike is long gone. The shorter wheel-base, stiffer 
>> tubing, and skinner tires of the Roadeo makes it much more taut and spare 
>> feeling than the Gallop. For me, the Roadeo is the ultimate, classic road 
>> bike for challenging myself on paved rides -- whether going fast or 
>> climbing on my own or riding with faster friends.   
>>
>> The long-length, fat-swoop tubing, and fatter-tire capability of the 
>> Gallop seems more like a lightweight, road-oriented Susie, to me. Less 
>> concern about potholes and road texture than on the Roadeo and more 
>> playful, all-day comfort. Since I haven't actually tried it on the rides I 
>> do with the Roadeo, I can't say for sure how it compares. Its performance 
>> could surprise me. In any event, I think the Gallop will be really fun and 
>> a great intro to drop bars coming from the the upright models you've been 
>> riding. I am eager to read your ride reports. 
>>
>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:51:38 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Valerie, well you’re an undiscovered treasure. I haven’t had the 
>>> privilege to know you but just reading this reveals that you are a 
>>> RivSister with a wealth of bike information and we NEED you here. Wow! It 
>>> was oddly like reading a Bill Lindsey post with all the talk of 
>>> incorporating a new bike into your collection and using it for certain 
>>> subsets of rides. If you two don’t know each other I think you should get 
>>> acquainted! 
>>>
>>> Thanks for taking the time and offering your opinion about this bike. I 
>>> really think it could be a good first road bike for me, and a good one to 
>>> experiment with drops. I’m so late getting into serious riding (I found Riv 
>>> at 31 and was raising little kids but now am 3 years from empty-nesting) 
>>> and I feel so behind. Everyone else seems like they had their drop bar 
>>> phase and club riding phase in their 20s and maybe 30s. I never rode a 
>>> group ride until I was 41. It’s a lot, so I’m very appreciative when other 
>>> people (especially women) will share what they know. It really, truly helps.
>>>
>>> One question: Why do you think the Roadini is more like your Roadeo than 
>>> your Gallop? What makes the Roadini and the Gallop different, do you think?
>>>
>>> Thanks again for this thread!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:13:15 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>
 Following up on Leah's questions in a new thread (and in a new order).

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

 Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
 bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
 ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you 
 bought 
 your Charlie? 


 *What was the reason you bought your Charlie?  *
 In general, I like to buy used/demo bikes to try them out and see how 
 they perform in the applicable subset of the variety of rides I like to do 
 - whether paved or dirt/gravel, steep hills or rolling flats, and whether 
 short rides, all day, or multi-day, loaded or supported, alone or with 
 people. Although many have overlapping 

[RBW] Re: Snake-in-a-bike

[Valerie Yates]

Wow! Very vivid snake. Amazed it got in and out without injury. Awesome 
photos. 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:29:45 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:

> Good story Allan! Grant would appreciate this. He occasionally posts snake 
> pictures in his BLAHG.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:36:41 AM UTC-4 Allan McLane wrote:
>
>> Here's a tale from the “Well, I never thought I’d see that” department… 
>>
>> This afternoon I was out on the Yvez Gomez, exercising the dog, when we 
>> encountered a smooth green snake (Opheodrys vernalis), sunning itself in 
>> the middle of the road. I stopped next to the snake to maneuver it to the 
>> side but it decided to climb up my back wheel spokes and inspect the 
>> interior of the cassette instead. After several failed attempts to nudge it 
>> along, it exited the cassette, went forward along the chainstay, and 
>> completely entered the fender, going up. 
>>
>> To extract it from the inside of the fender I slowly rolled the bike 
>> backwards until the snake popped out the rear and onto the ground. At this 
>> point it had gotten the message well and slithered off into the stone wall. 
>>
>> For the curious, full photo documentation here:
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBpqQB
>> 
>>
>> Allan in Marlboro, Vt
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Chris King, Nitto, White Industries, Outer Shell

[Michael Ullmer]

Post is gone now too, thanks all!

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 7:15:38 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> White Industries cranks are gone.
>
> Any takers on the Nitto Lugged Seatpost for $100 plus shipping?
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 9:20:32 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Last bump before these go to Ebay:
>>
>> 2) White Industries ENO 180mm Square Taper Crankset with 32mm Chainring - 
>> $135
>>
>> 4) Nitto Lugged Seatpost 27.2 - $105
>>
>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 9:52:13 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> Bump and price drop:
>>>
>>> 2) White Industries ENO 180mm Square Taper Crankset with 32mm Chainring 
>>> - $140
>>>
>>> 4) Nitto Lugged Seatpost 27.2 - $110
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 9:57:28 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I've been looking at a Stronglight Delta and not having seen one 
 on a bike or in person I'm a little worried it may be the worst looking 
 headset around

 On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:11:05 PM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> I ended up going with an older Stronglight, this one:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/256364460561
>
> It brought down the shimmy's significantly and didn't affect the 
> handling too much either. Not as pretty though
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 3:55:48 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:
>
>> What headset did you end up replacing the King with? I'm guessing 
>> from the parts you're selling that you gravitate towards let's just say 
>> nice and I'd also like a  needle-bearing headset that fits that 
>> qualification
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Ian A]

Michael wrote: "What motorcycle are you going to buy?"

Actually the correct question is "What *motorcycles* are you going to 
buy?". 

'Cause you need a mile-eater, a fire-roader and a scooter. 

IanA (earnestly sticking to bicycles at the moment) in Kitimat BC
On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> What motorcycle are you going to buy?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
>> selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good bike 
>> for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> $5k + shipping 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
 motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take 
 new 
 pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html

 Joe Bernard 
 joeremi62 gmail com

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[J J]

Inspiring attitude and approach, thank you. 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:15:42 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Letting go of prized possessions can be incredibly hard." 
>
> Tbh it's not difficult for me. At this latter stage of my life (just 
> turned 62) I find myself at a place where it's the people and experiences I 
> treasure; it's the part I can enjoy in the moment, hold in my heart, and 
> keep as a lasting memory. Which is all very philosophical of me but this is 
> the Joe Bernard I am right now! ‍♂️
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:08:44 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Wow, this is a surprise, Joe. Letting go of prized possessions can be 
>> incredibly hard. I admire the resolve. Congratulations on the decision. 
>>
>> Good luck with the sale. Whoever nabs that custom will be lucky to have 
>> it! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 11:52:39 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Ebike:
>>>
>>> I've owned/built a few but they don't fit what I'm looking to do now. I 
>>> still have my motorcycle endorsement and just took the Motorcycle Safety 
>>> Foundation course again with a friend to refresh my skills and see if it 
>>> was a thing I wanted to get back into (before I'm too old!). Motorcycles 
>>> are a culture up here in Lake County and I have a bunch of folks I can ride 
>>> with so I'm interested. 
>>>
>>> Joe "will still have a lovely Riv even after selling one" Bernard 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:38:36 AM UTC-7 bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey Joe, why not get an e-bike?  I'm old and still ride regular bikes, 
 but a lot of my friends, especially those in their 70s, have all gone to 
 e-bikes. Specialized has arguably the best right now with its second 
 battery and 100-120 mile range.

 Good Luck! 

 On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:23:30 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Motorcycle: I don't know. I think it's going to take a while to sell 
> my Riv at a price I can live with so I'm not real focused on the next 
> step 
> yet. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> What motorcycle are you going to buy?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't 
>>> regret selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a 
>>> good bike for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 $5k + shipping 

 On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to 
> take new 
> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>
> Joe Bernard 
> joeremi62 gmail com
>


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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

"Letting go of prized possessions can be incredibly hard." 

Tbh it's not difficult for me. At this latter stage of my life (just turned 
62) I find myself at a place where it's the people and experiences I 
treasure; it's the part I can enjoy in the moment, hold in my heart, and 
keep as a lasting memory. Which is all very philosophical of me but this is 
the Joe Bernard I am right now! ‍♂️

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:08:44 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Wow, this is a surprise, Joe. Letting go of prized possessions can be 
> incredibly hard. I admire the resolve. Congratulations on the decision. 
>
> Good luck with the sale. Whoever nabs that custom will be lucky to have 
> it! 
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 11:52:39 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Ebike:
>>
>> I've owned/built a few but they don't fit what I'm looking to do now. I 
>> still have my motorcycle endorsement and just took the Motorcycle Safety 
>> Foundation course again with a friend to refresh my skills and see if it 
>> was a thing I wanted to get back into (before I'm too old!). Motorcycles 
>> are a culture up here in Lake County and I have a bunch of folks I can ride 
>> with so I'm interested. 
>>
>> Joe "will still have a lovely Riv even after selling one" Bernard 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:38:36 AM UTC-7 bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Joe, why not get an e-bike?  I'm old and still ride regular bikes, 
>>> but a lot of my friends, especially those in their 70s, have all gone to 
>>> e-bikes. Specialized has arguably the best right now with its second 
>>> battery and 100-120 mile range.
>>>
>>> Good Luck! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:23:30 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Motorcycle: I don't know. I think it's going to take a while to sell my 
 Riv at a price I can live with so I'm not real focused on the next step 
 yet. 

 On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> What motorcycle are you going to buy?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
>> selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good 
>> bike 
>> for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> $5k + shipping 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
 motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to 
 take new 
 pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html

 Joe Bernard 
 joeremi62 gmail com

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[J J]

Wow, this is a surprise, Joe. Letting go of prized possessions can be 
incredibly hard. I admire the resolve. Congratulations on the decision. 

Good luck with the sale. Whoever nabs that custom will be lucky to have it! 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 11:52:39 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ebike:
>
> I've owned/built a few but they don't fit what I'm looking to do now. I 
> still have my motorcycle endorsement and just took the Motorcycle Safety 
> Foundation course again with a friend to refresh my skills and see if it 
> was a thing I wanted to get back into (before I'm too old!). Motorcycles 
> are a culture up here in Lake County and I have a bunch of folks I can ride 
> with so I'm interested. 
>
> Joe "will still have a lovely Riv even after selling one" Bernard 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:38:36 AM UTC-7 bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Joe, why not get an e-bike?  I'm old and still ride regular bikes, 
>> but a lot of my friends, especially those in their 70s, have all gone to 
>> e-bikes. Specialized has arguably the best right now with its second 
>> battery and 100-120 mile range.
>>
>> Good Luck! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:23:30 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Motorcycle: I don't know. I think it's going to take a while to sell my 
>>> Riv at a price I can live with so I'm not real focused on the next step 
>>> yet. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
 What motorcycle are you going to buy?



 On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
> selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good 
> bike 
> for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> $5k + shipping 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
>>> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take 
>>> new 
>>> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Ebike:

I've owned/built a few but they don't fit what I'm looking to do now. I 
still have my motorcycle endorsement and just took the Motorcycle Safety 
Foundation course again with a friend to refresh my skills and see if it 
was a thing I wanted to get back into (before I'm too old!). Motorcycles 
are a culture up here in Lake County and I have a bunch of folks I can ride 
with so I'm interested. 

Joe "will still have a lovely Riv even after selling one" Bernard 



On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:38:36 AM UTC-7 bfd...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Joe, why not get an e-bike?  I'm old and still ride regular bikes, but 
> a lot of my friends, especially those in their 70s, have all gone to 
> e-bikes. Specialized has arguably the best right now with its second 
> battery and 100-120 mile range.
>
> Good Luck! 
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:23:30 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Motorcycle: I don't know. I think it's going to take a while to sell my 
>> Riv at a price I can live with so I'm not real focused on the next step 
>> yet. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>> What motorcycle are you going to buy?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
 selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good bike 
 for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her

 On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> $5k + shipping 
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
>> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take 
>> new 
>> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Brewster Fong]

Hey Joe, why not get an e-bike?  I'm old and still ride regular bikes, but 
a lot of my friends, especially those in their 70s, have all gone to 
e-bikes. Specialized has arguably the best right now with its second 
battery and 100-120 mile range.

Good Luck! 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:23:30 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Motorcycle: I don't know. I think it's going to take a while to sell my 
> Riv at a price I can live with so I'm not real focused on the next step 
> yet. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> What motorcycle are you going to buy?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
>>> selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good bike 
>>> for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 $5k + shipping 

 On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take 
> new 
> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>
> Joe Bernard 
> joeremi62 gmail com
>


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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[RichS]

What a surprise Joe. Never thought I would see you turn this one loose. 
Good luck with the sale.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:23:30 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Motorcycle: I don't know. I think it's going to take a while to sell my 
> Riv at a price I can live with so I'm not real focused on the next step 
> yet. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> What motorcycle are you going to buy?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
>>> selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good bike 
>>> for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 $5k + shipping 

 On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take 
> new 
> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>
> Joe Bernard 
> joeremi62 gmail com
>


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[RBW] Re: Snake-in-a-bike

[RichS]

Good story Allan! Grant would appreciate this. He occasionally posts snake 
pictures in his BLAHG.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:36:41 AM UTC-4 Allan McLane wrote:

> Here's a tale from the “Well, I never thought I’d see that” department… 
>
> This afternoon I was out on the Yvez Gomez, exercising the dog, when we 
> encountered a smooth green snake (Opheodrys vernalis), sunning itself in 
> the middle of the road. I stopped next to the snake to maneuver it to the 
> side but it decided to climb up my back wheel spokes and inspect the 
> interior of the cassette instead. After several failed attempts to nudge it 
> along, it exited the cassette, went forward along the chainstay, and 
> completely entered the fender, going up. 
>
> To extract it from the inside of the fender I slowly rolled the bike 
> backwards until the snake popped out the rear and onto the ground. At this 
> point it had gotten the message well and slithered off into the stone wall. 
>
> For the curious, full photo documentation here:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBpqQB
> 
>
> Allan in Marlboro, Vt
>
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Ted Durant]

> On May 7, 2024, at 9:49 PM, Steve  wrote:
> 
> Ted,  in an attempt yo educate myself in installation of these tubes, may I 
> ask did your RH tubes come packaged with an 'O' ring on the stem?  If so, did 
> you install it inside or outside of the rim?  


O-ring is on the stem, right at the junction with the tube. I left it there.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Snake-in-a-bike

[Gordon Stam]

Snaking it's way through your frame. Interesting. 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:02:26 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> He wanted to examine the YG's lugwork up close.
>
> I often come across snakes on paved recreational trails in the bosque at 
> this time of year, as the pavement warms up but while the thicket is still 
> cool. I don't stop to see how they're doing, so I don't determine the type, 
> but rattlesnakes are common here, and I've heard the buzz of rattles before 
> as I skimmed past a snake's nose. 
>
> Lizards too: I barely missed a few tails recently of lizards sunning 
> themselves in the middle of the asphalt.
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 7:36 AM Allan McLane  wrote:
>
>> Here's a tale from the “Well, I never thought I’d see that” department… 
>>
>> This afternoon I was out on the Yvez Gomez, exercising the dog, when we 
>> encountered a smooth green snake (Opheodrys vernalis), sunning itself in 
>> the middle of the road. I stopped next to the snake to maneuver it to the 
>> side but it decided to climb up my back wheel spokes and inspect the 
>> interior of the cassette instead. After several failed attempts to nudge it 
>> along, it exited the cassette, went forward along the chainstay, and 
>> completely entered the fender, going up. 
>>
>> To extract it from the inside of the fender I slowly rolled the bike 
>> backwards until the snake popped out the rear and onto the ground. At this 
>> point it had gotten the message well and slithered off into the stone wall. 
>>
>> For the curious, full photo documentation here:
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBpqQB
>> 
>>
>> Allan in Marlboro, Vt
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Re: [RBW] Snake-in-a-bike

[Patrick Moore]

He wanted to examine the YG's lugwork up close.

I often come across snakes on paved recreational trails in the bosque at
this time of year, as the pavement warms up but while the thicket is still
cool. I don't stop to see how they're doing, so I don't determine the type,
but rattlesnakes are common here, and I've heard the buzz of rattles before
as I skimmed past a snake's nose.

Lizards too: I barely missed a few tails recently of lizards sunning
themselves in the middle of the asphalt.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 7:36 AM Allan McLane  wrote:

> Here's a tale from the “Well, I never thought I’d see that” department…
>
> This afternoon I was out on the Yvez Gomez, exercising the dog, when we
> encountered a smooth green snake (Opheodrys vernalis), sunning itself in
> the middle of the road. I stopped next to the snake to maneuver it to the
> side but it decided to climb up my back wheel spokes and inspect the
> interior of the cassette instead. After several failed attempts to nudge it
> along, it exited the cassette, went forward along the chainstay, and
> completely entered the fender, going up.
>
> To extract it from the inside of the fender I slowly rolled the bike
> backwards until the snake popped out the rear and onto the ground. At this
> point it had gotten the message well and slithered off into the stone wall.
>
> For the curious, full photo documentation here:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBpqQB
> 
>
> Allan in Marlboro, Vt
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Re: [RBW] Snake-in-a-bike

[Justin Kennedy]

Amazing! Great snaps too. 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:48:03 AM UTC-4 wn6...@aol.com wrote:

> Great images! 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 8, 2024, at 6:36 AM, Allan McLane  wrote:
>
> Here's a tale from the “Well, I never thought I’d see that” department… 
>
>
> This afternoon I was out on the Yvez Gomez, exercising the dog, when we 
> encountered a smooth green snake (Opheodrys vernalis), sunning itself in 
> the middle of the road. I stopped next to the snake to maneuver it to the 
> side but it decided to climb up my back wheel spokes and inspect the 
> interior of the cassette instead. After several failed attempts to nudge it 
> along, it exited the cassette, went forward along the chainstay, and 
> completely entered the fender, going up. 
>
> To extract it from the inside of the fender I slowly rolled the bike 
> backwards until the snake popped out the rear and onto the ground. At this 
> point it had gotten the message well and slithered off into the stone wall. 
>
> For the curious, full photo documentation here:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBpqQB
> 
>
> Allan in Marlboro, Vt
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Re: [RBW] Snake-in-a-bike

['Michael Kashuba' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great images! Sent from my iPhoneOn May 8, 2024, at 6:36 AM, Allan McLane  wrote:Here's a tale from the “Well, I never thought I’d see that” department… This afternoon I was out on the Yvez Gomez, exercising the dog, when we encountered a smooth green snake (Opheodrys vernalis), sunning itself in the middle of the road. I stopped next to the snake to maneuver it to the side but it decided to climb up my back wheel spokes and inspect the interior of the cassette instead. After several failed attempts to nudge it along, it exited the cassette, went forward along the chainstay, and completely entered the fender, going up. To extract it from the inside of the fender I slowly rolled the bike backwards until the snake popped out the rear and onto the ground. At this point it had gotten the message well and slithered off into the stone wall. For the curious, full photo documentation here:https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBpqQBAllan in Marlboro, Vt



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[RBW] Snake-in-a-bike

[Allan McLane]

Here's a tale from the “Well, I never thought I’d see that” department… 

This afternoon I was out on the Yvez Gomez, exercising the dog, when we 
encountered a smooth green snake (Opheodrys vernalis), sunning itself in 
the middle of the road. I stopped next to the snake to maneuver it to the 
side but it decided to climb up my back wheel spokes and inspect the 
interior of the cassette instead. After several failed attempts to nudge it 
along, it exited the cassette, went forward along the chainstay, and 
completely entered the fender, going up. 

To extract it from the inside of the fender I slowly rolled the bike 
backwards until the snake popped out the rear and onto the ground. At this 
point it had gotten the message well and slithered off into the stone wall. 

For the curious, full photo documentation here:
https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBpqQB


Allan in Marlboro, Vt

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[RBW] Re: FS: Lots of nice Chrome parts for your builds/projects

[Drew Fitchette]

Alright everyone, Last list update. Just have the front wheel and the cable 
hanger left:

   - *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
   mounted) - $25*


   - *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
   nearly new) - $150*


On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 9:10:36 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:

> Tires and saddle are gone. Here’s what’s left with reduced prices:
>
>
>
>- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $40*
>
>
>- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion) - Hold*
>
>
>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
>mounted) - $25*
>
>
>- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $35 OBO*
>
>
>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
>nearly new) - $150*
>
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 5:45:14 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>
>> Updated list for your viewing pleasure:
>>
>>
>>
>>- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $45*
>>
>>
>>- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion) - 
>>Hold*
>>
>>
>>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
>>mounted) - $25*
>>
>>
>>- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $40 
>>OBO*
>>
>>
>>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
>>nearly new) - Hold*
>>
>>
>>- *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $40*
>>- *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) - 
>>$80*
>>
>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 4:12:10 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>
>>> Levers have sold, everything else with some updated info/pricing before 
>>> shipping:
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Velo Orange Silver Grand Cru Long Pull brake levers and shims - 
>>>$OLD*
>>>- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $45*
>>>- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion) - 
>>>$70*
>>>
>>>
>>>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
>>>mounted) - $25*
>>>- *Sram 11-34 cassette - $15*
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $40 
>>>OBO*
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
>>>nearly new) - $150*
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Single Tektro R559 side pull with second pair of kool stop 
>>>pads(well used, but works great) - $20*
>>>- *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $40*
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) - 
>>>$80*
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 8:50:01 PM UTC-4 Steve wrote:
>>>
 Msg'd - VO Levers

 On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 5:57:17 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Messaged about the cable hanger :) 


>
> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 4:25:05 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>
>> Hey Everyone!
>>
>> I recently put together a new build and in going through all the 
>> stuff in my bin I realized I needed to cull through some my 
>> reserves/recently acquired but swapped gear. Here's what I'm looking to 
>> move on to happy new homes, Buyers pay shipping:
>>
>>
>>- *Velo Orange Silver Grand Cru Long Pull brake levers and shims 
>>- $45*
>>- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $50*
>>- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion - 
>>$70*
>>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but 
>>never mounted) - $25*
>>- *Sram 11-34 cassette - $15*
>>- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - 
>>$45 OBO*
>>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on 
>>wheels(looks nearly new) - $150*
>>- *Single Tektro R559 See pull with second pair of kool stop 
>>pads(well used, but works great) - $20*
>>- *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $60*
>>- *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) 
>>- $80*
>>
>>
>> *Photos here 
>> *
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Motorcycle: I don't know. I think it's going to take a while to sell my Riv 
at a price I can live with so I'm not real focused on the next step yet. 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> What motorcycle are you going to buy?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
>> selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good bike 
>> for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> $5k + shipping 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
 motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take 
 new 
 pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html

 Joe Bernard 
 joeremi62 gmail com

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Doug H.]

I consider Joe's custom Rivendell to be the original drop tube Rivendell 
bicycle. Joe set the standard with that one. The custom paint job is so 
good too. 
Doug

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:55:23 AM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> What motorcycle are you going to buy?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
>> selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good bike 
>> for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> $5k + shipping 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
 motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take 
 new 
 pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html

 Joe Bernard 
 joeremi62 gmail com

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Michael Morrissey]

What motorcycle are you going to buy?



On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
> selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good bike 
> for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> $5k + shipping 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
>>> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take new 
>>> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Ryan]

Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good bike 
for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> $5k + shipping 
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
>> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take new 
>> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>
>

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