Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-23 Thread Tony Anderson
Naturally, the key is volunteer activity by the community. As always identify the non-working activities, identify common problems which can be handled such as conversion to GTK3, and anyone who wants take that on. For testers and reviewers, get help from out users. If we set up a 'help' path

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-23 Thread Dave Crossland
Thanks for clarifying; I'd misunderstood  On Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 7:29 PM James Cameron No, thanks! What my time can accomplish was given only as an > indication of the size of the solved part of the overall problem. > > OLPC continues to pay me to work on our education solution, which >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-23 Thread James Cameron
No, thanks! What my time can accomplish was given only as an indication of the size of the solved part of the overall problem. OLPC continues to pay me to work on our education solution, which includes Sugar and these activities. The rest of my time is already sold. On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-23 Thread Martin Dengler
First, what are the numbers: extrapolating from this N=1 sample, how many activities can be maintained by a very experienced python and Sugar developer? Regards Martin > On Jan 23, 2019, at 07:27, Dave Crossland wrote: > > James, are you soliciting SL pay you as a contractor to fix

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-23 Thread Dave Crossland
James, are you soliciting SL pay you as a contractor to fix Activities not on the list? On Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 1:15 AM James Cameron Nice idea, but hasn't happened yet, and I don't expect it to ever > happen without scaling up the number of testers and fixers. > > We just don't have enough people

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-23 Thread Tony Anderson
My naive view is that if we seriously undertake the task, others will join. As an example, now that we have Sugar on Ubuntu 18.04, we could easily install every activity on a laptop and test in Sugar by launching to see if it shows the opening screen or gives 'failed to start'. In the latter

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-22 Thread James Cameron
Nice idea, but hasn't happened yet, and I don't expect it to ever happen without scaling up the number of testers and fixers. We just don't have enough people paying attention. How would you propose that attention be purchased? Sugar Labs has $95k we could spend. You've seen from the list what

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-22 Thread Tony Anderson
My original point was that as a community we should view the activities on ASLO as a corpus to be treasured and protected. No activity can be either abandoned or orphaned. It is the responsibility of the community. When a change 'upstream' breaks an activity or set of activities, the problem

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-22 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 09:54:08PM -0500, Walter Bender wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 9:13 PM James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 01:29:56PM -0500, Devin Ulibarri wrote: > > Hi, > > > > This was my experience: > > > >   • I came

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-22 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 9:13 PM James Cameron wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 01:29:56PM -0500, Devin Ulibarri wrote: > > Hi, > > > > This was my experience: > > > > • I came into SugarLabs community at the time that this migration was > > beginning to happen. > > • I started a GH

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-22 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 01:29:56PM -0500, Devin Ulibarri wrote: > Hi, > > This was my experience: > > • I came into SugarLabs community at the time that this migration was > beginning to happen. > • I started a GH account because that is where I was told the software was > being

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-22 Thread Devin Ulibarri
Hi, This was my experience: * I came into SugarLabs community at the time that this migration was beginning to happen. * I started a GH account because that is where I was told the software was being maintained. * I have continued to "go with the flow" and work via GH although I have come to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-21 Thread Tony Anderson
Walter, I will try. I am moving on Feb 3 to Palawan. I'll try to get to it then. My principal concern re GSOC is to define projects with manageable scope - many of the past projects ended undelivered. Tony On 1/21/19 3:10 PM, Walter Bender wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:44 AM James

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-21 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:44 AM James Cameron wrote: > Fascinating, I never thought the move to GitHub was ever going to > achieve all that. It was to enable a shutdown of the unmaintained > gitorious instance at git.sugarlabs.org. Which still hasn't happened > because it is still useful, in

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-21 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, James This is a disagreement with Walter from day one. ASLO is a means to maintain the library of Sugar activities in use for nearly a decade. Introducing gitHub created an obstacle for our users as contributors. Another disagreement I have with Walter is the concept of replacing ASLO.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-21 Thread James Cameron
Fascinating, I never thought the move to GitHub was ever going to achieve all that. It was to enable a shutdown of the unmaintained gitorious instance at git.sugarlabs.org. Which still hasn't happened because it is still useful, in turn because this community hasn't the time to do the necessary

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-20 Thread Tony Anderson
While it is marvelous to see some actual attention to the Sugar activities, this approach is the direct opposite of the logic behind the move of the activities to gitHub. This is a return to the G1G1 model in which individuals develop, contribute and own activities. There can be no abandoned

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-20 Thread Walter Bender
I am actively maintaining Music Blocks and Turtle Blocks JS. I just haven't had the bandwidth to do much beyond that of late. That said, I am happy to kibbutz on any of the activities which I used to maintain. On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:11 AM Rahul Bothra wrote: > I am maintaining CowBulls and

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-20 Thread Walter Bender
I noticed Dimensions fell off the list. I will take that one on as I think it is of real value. -walter On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 8:44 AM James Cameron wrote: > Thanks. So the list looks like; > > # Walter Bender > > * Music Blocks, > * Turtle Blocks JS, > > # Rahul Bothra > > * CowBulls, > *

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-20 Thread James Cameron
Thanks. So the list looks like; # Walter Bender * Music Blocks, * Turtle Blocks JS, # Rahul Bothra * CowBulls, * Flappy, * Cedit, * Polari, # James Cameron * Abacus, * Browse (master), * Browse (fedora 18 - webkit - v157.x), * Calculator, * Chart, * Chat, * Clock, * Develop, * Distance, *

Re: [Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-18 Thread Rahul Bothra
I am maintaining CowBulls and Flappy. I can take up cedit and Polari On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 12:53 PM James Cameron wrote: > Once we had a list of abandoned activities, where the maintainer is > missing in action, not doing testing or releasing. > > Now, I propose the inverse; a list of

[Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

2019-01-17 Thread James Cameron
Once we had a list of abandoned activities, where the maintainer is missing in action, not doing testing or releasing. Now, I propose the inverse; a list of activities with a maintainer testing and releasing. It will be easier to maintain that list. For myself, each of the Fructose activities,