[videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
Thanks for the compliments Brook :) You are no slouch in this. You are creating wonderful videos yourself! It appears that the NaVloPoMo'vians are all breaking out of those molds and experimenting with new things. Here is something that I find troublesome... There are so many fantastic videos being created for navlopomo and the majority of them are being hosted on Blip. I just went to the Blip front page and I see not a mention of any NaVloPoMo videos on the front page. Nothing. I see that Cooking with Jack Black is a hit though. Wow. Really...just...wow. It saddens me that Blip has gone the way of promoting Internet TV as their base and bypassed the independent videobloggers who, were really the ones that got them the attention when they first started up. Oh sure, occasionally Blip will feature a non internet television creator. The ratio is very lopsided though. I'm sorry Blip. I really don't want to point fingers at you but...you are the ones that host my videos. I chose you then because I believed in what you were doing...back then. I'm troubled with what you've become. Alas, I guess you have to follow the money or promote where the money may be. So, when we, the Independents have been tossed to the side in favor of shows and internet tv, posts like yours Brook inspire me to continue promoting the people who do this fantastic creative work and push the boundaries. Yes, everyone, please check out the amazing things that people are doing for NaVloPoMo. http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers A video posted every day of this month. 30 videos from each person involved. That's a massive amount of content. Personal content! Let's see an Internet TV show try and do that. Subscribe to the people. Get to know the people. Befriend the people. Support the people. I remember back when videoblogging was all about the people. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having just watched a David Howell navlopomo post that sent shivers down my spine, I have to come here and say: people are posting some of their best work EVER for this project. If you're not following it you really should. I'm only able to keep up with about 20% of the posts at most in real time but I'm looking forward to eventually catching up with all of them, because this is an AMAZING surge of creativity. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com www.brookhinton.com/temporalab
Re: [videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
Even though most of the shows on their front page could be labeled internet tv, that doesn't make them any less independent than your personal vlog, or Rupert's, or Schlomo's, or mine. I have Bullemhead.com to show my friends (like you) things from my life, things that catch my eye or ear. I don't care if only a handful of people see it, as long as it's the right handful. Wreck Salvage was born from a desire to share our work with a greater audience. We don't have any funding, corporate or otherwise. So how is our show less independent than a personal vlog? Not trying to start shit, just interested in your reasoning. Have you or anyone emailed the blip folks about promoting the NaVloPoMo? I'm sure they are open to suggestions, as that's pretty much been their M.O. from day one. You catch more flies with honey, etc. AQ On 11/6/07, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the compliments Brook :) You are no slouch in this. You are creating wonderful videos yourself! It appears that the NaVloPoMo'vians are all breaking out of those molds and experimenting with new things. Here is something that I find troublesome... There are so many fantastic videos being created for navlopomo and the majority of them are being hosted on Blip. I just went to the Blip front page and I see not a mention of any NaVloPoMo videos on the front page. Nothing. I see that Cooking with Jack Black is a hit though. Wow. Really...just...wow. It saddens me that Blip has gone the way of promoting Internet TV as their base and bypassed the independent videobloggers who, were really the ones that got them the attention when they first started up. Oh sure, occasionally Blip will feature a non internet television creator. The ratio is very lopsided though. I'm sorry Blip. I really don't want to point fingers at you but...you are the ones that host my videos. I chose you then because I believed in what you were doing...back then. I'm troubled with what you've become. Alas, I guess you have to follow the money or promote where the money may be. So, when we, the Independents have been tossed to the side in favor of shows and internet tv, posts like yours Brook inspire me to continue promoting the people who do this fantastic creative work and push the boundaries. Yes, everyone, please check out the amazing things that people are doing for NaVloPoMo. http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers A video posted every day of this month. 30 videos from each person involved. That's a massive amount of content. Personal content! Let's see an Internet TV show try and do that. Subscribe to the people. Get to know the people. Befriend the people. Support the people. I remember back when videoblogging was all about the people. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having just watched a David Howell navlopomo post that sent shivers down my spine, I have to come here and say: people are posting some of their best work EVER for this project. If you're not following it you really should. I'm only able to keep up with about 20% of the posts at most in real time but I'm looking forward to eventually catching up with all of them, because this is an AMAZING surge of creativity. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com www.brookhinton.com/temporalab Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
You are correct. I will email Blip and see if they would promote NaVloPoMo. I dont know if anyone has actually emailed Blip about this? Your advice is well taken. Personally I dont see WS as a show. It's not...hmm...glossy. It's not produced. It's not trying to mimic television. I guess it could be classified as a show but no way would I ever call it Internet TV. I look at the work that you guys are doing coming more from the Independent or alternative side of doing things. With all the so-called shows being created, WS is a breath of fresh air. You arent trying to make a series. I suppose it's all in how one perceives the work that is created. Maybe my perception of what you guys do is wrong? I dont know? David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even though most of the shows on their front page could be labeled internet tv, that doesn't make them any less independent than your personal vlog, or Rupert's, or Schlomo's, or mine. I have Bullemhead.com to show my friends (like you) things from my life, things that catch my eye or ear. I don't care if only a handful of people see it, as long as it's the right handful. Wreck Salvage was born from a desire to share our work with a greater audience. We don't have any funding, corporate or otherwise. So how is our show less independent than a personal vlog? Not trying to start shit, just interested in your reasoning. Have you or anyone emailed the blip folks about promoting the NaVloPoMo? I'm sure they are open to suggestions, as that's pretty much been their M.O. from day one. You catch more flies with honey, etc. AQ On 11/6/07, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the compliments Brook :) You are no slouch in this. You are creating wonderful videos yourself! It appears that the NaVloPoMo'vians are all breaking out of those molds and experimenting with new things. Here is something that I find troublesome... There are so many fantastic videos being created for navlopomo and the majority of them are being hosted on Blip. I just went to the Blip front page and I see not a mention of any NaVloPoMo videos on the front page. Nothing. I see that Cooking with Jack Black is a hit though. Wow. Really...just...wow. It saddens me that Blip has gone the way of promoting Internet TV as their base and bypassed the independent videobloggers who, were really the ones that got them the attention when they first started up. Oh sure, occasionally Blip will feature a non internet television creator. The ratio is very lopsided though. I'm sorry Blip. I really don't want to point fingers at you but...you are the ones that host my videos. I chose you then because I believed in what you were doing...back then. I'm troubled with what you've become. Alas, I guess you have to follow the money or promote where the money may be. So, when we, the Independents have been tossed to the side in favor of shows and internet tv, posts like yours Brook inspire me to continue promoting the people who do this fantastic creative work and push the boundaries. Yes, everyone, please check out the amazing things that people are doing for NaVloPoMo. http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers A video posted every day of this month. 30 videos from each person involved. That's a massive amount of content. Personal content! Let's see an Internet TV show try and do that. Subscribe to the people. Get to know the people. Befriend the people. Support the people. I remember back when videoblogging was all about the people. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton bhinton@ wrote: Having just watched a David Howell navlopomo post that sent shivers down my spine, I have to come here and say: people are posting some of their best work EVER for this project. If you're not following it you really should. I'm only able to keep up with about 20% of the posts at most in real time but I'm looking forward to eventually catching up with all of them, because this is an AMAZING surge of creativity. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com www.brookhinton.com/temporalab Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
Im not so sure the net is going to be much different from distribution methods of the past, when it comes to promotion. Most of the time, nobody in the promotion business has a clue how to promote strange, different, risque things that push the envelope. Its so much easier to promote stuff that has an easier to recognise form. Something like Human Dog could also be considered a show, but only they themselves seemed to know how to promote it. Promotion on the net is the weakest link right now, as best I can tell, and most of the time the viral sical forms of prootion have nothing like the reach of traditional promotion. But have even the relatively great internet companies like blip really gone that far at promotion? Putting stuff on your front page is just the beginning. Oh I see at the other end of the spectrum that the completely rubbish entity I used to spill a lot of venom at, network2,tv, appears to have disappeared up its own promotube. But because they seem to be addicted to positive spin, the message says 'we are upgrading your network2 experience'. Still maybe they are right, I consider nothing to be an upgrade compared to what that guide to internet tv used to be. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct. I will email Blip and see if they would promote NaVloPoMo. I dont know if anyone has actually emailed Blip about this? Your advice is well taken. Personally I dont see WS as a show. It's not...hmm...glossy. It's not produced. It's not trying to mimic television. I guess it could be classified as a show but no way would I ever call it Internet TV. I look at the work that you guys are doing coming more from the Independent or alternative side of doing things. With all the so-called shows being created, WS is a breath of fresh air. You arent trying to make a series. I suppose it's all in how one perceives the work that is created. Maybe my perception of what you guys do is wrong? I dont know? David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage quirk@ wrote: Even though most of the shows on their front page could be labeled internet tv, that doesn't make them any less independent than your personal vlog, or Rupert's, or Schlomo's, or mine. I have Bullemhead.com to show my friends (like you) things from my life, things that catch my eye or ear. I don't care if only a handful of people see it, as long as it's the right handful. Wreck Salvage was born from a desire to share our work with a greater audience. We don't have any funding, corporate or otherwise. So how is our show less independent than a personal vlog? Not trying to start shit, just interested in your reasoning. Have you or anyone emailed the blip folks about promoting the NaVloPoMo? I'm sure they are open to suggestions, as that's pretty much been their M.O. from day one. You catch more flies with honey, etc. AQ On 11/6/07, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Thanks for the compliments Brook :) You are no slouch in this. You are creating wonderful videos yourself! It appears that the NaVloPoMo'vians are all breaking out of those molds and experimenting with new things. Here is something that I find troublesome... There are so many fantastic videos being created for navlopomo and the majority of them are being hosted on Blip. I just went to the Blip front page and I see not a mention of any NaVloPoMo videos on the front page. Nothing. I see that Cooking with Jack Black is a hit though. Wow. Really...just...wow. It saddens me that Blip has gone the way of promoting Internet TV as their base and bypassed the independent videobloggers who, were really the ones that got them the attention when they first started up. Oh sure, occasionally Blip will feature a non internet television creator. The ratio is very lopsided though. I'm sorry Blip. I really don't want to point fingers at you but...you are the ones that host my videos. I chose you then because I believed in what you were doing...back then. I'm troubled with what you've become. Alas, I guess you have to follow the money or promote where the money may be. So, when we, the Independents have been tossed to the side in favor of shows and internet tv, posts like yours Brook inspire me to continue promoting the people who do this fantastic creative work and push the boundaries. Yes, everyone, please check out the amazing things that people are doing for NaVloPoMo. http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers A video posted every day of this month. 30 videos from each person involved. That's a massive amount of content. Personal content! Let's see an Internet TV show try and do that. Subscribe to the people. Get to
[videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
What? In everything you wrote, you asked me one question. I removed what wasnt pertainent to the question and answered that question. You asked me if that was all I was going to say about what you wrote and I said no. Go play games with someone else. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Your opinion is your opinion. Admittedly coming from a biased viewpoint and not objective. So, I am rather nonplussed with what you've written and have nothing to add or continue discussing with you. You didn't DISCUSS anything in the first place. You selected the very end of my post and deleted EVERYTHING ELSE I said. Yes. Admittedly biased, which was in the [disclosure], which you ALSO deleted for your own purposes. I am not naming the site as if it doesnt pan out and they dont promote the NaVloPoMo videos, I dont want to see people disappointed. Oh. Ok. -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: Why don't you name the site then? Also, is that ALL you had to say about my entire rebuttal? :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Actually Bill, I was sent an email this morning after I posted this by a hosting site asking for a list of NaVloPoMo videos that they could promote. I didnt have to approach them. They had the ambition to approach me when they saw that there was a need to fill. Apparently, you dont *think* correctly. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: BTW... Is there anywhere else besides blip.tv where you would have the slightest, most miniscule, REMOTE chance of sending an email and MAYBE being featured on the front page of that host? I don't think so. :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage wrote: Even though most of the shows on their front page could be labeled internet tv, that doesn't make them any less independent than your personal vlog, or Rupert's, or Schlomo's, or mine. I have Bullemhead.com to show my friends (like you) things from my life, things that catch my eye or ear. I don't care if only a handful of people see it, as long as it's the right handful. Wreck Salvage was born from a desire to share our work with a greater audience. We don't have any funding, corporate or otherwise. So how is our show less independent than a personal vlog? Not trying to start shit, just interested in your reasoning. Have you or anyone emailed the blip folks about promoting the NaVloPoMo? I'm sure they are open to suggestions, as that's pretty much been their M.O. from day one. You catch more flies with honey, etc. What is a show? We use the term to include anything which is regularly created, and which contains some degree of intent. Wreck and Salvage is most definitely a show, by our usage. As for TV, I don't know what TV is anymore. Does it cover public access? If there is a spectrum with Smallville on one side, and dogs on skateboards on the other, blip occupies a large area in the middle. The situation at blip is not that we feel we have outgrown the original vloggers in search for greener ($) pastures. It is that we are well occupied keeping up with growth and making sure our servers are serving. We have just moved offices, our project manager just left, and I don't even have time to update my blog anymore! So I am wondering if there is any truth to your criticism, that needs correcting, because we really don't intend to leave the community behind. But yes, if we had gotten an e-mail about NaVloPoMo, Eric certainly would have promoted it.
[videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
Pardon me...pertinent. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What? In everything you wrote, you asked me one question. I removed what wasnt pertainent to the question and answered that question. You asked me if that was all I was going to say about what you wrote and I said no. Go play games with someone else. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Your opinion is your opinion. Admittedly coming from a biased viewpoint and not objective. So, I am rather nonplussed with what you've written and have nothing to add or continue discussing with you. You didn't DISCUSS anything in the first place. You selected the very end of my post and deleted EVERYTHING ELSE I said. Yes. Admittedly biased, which was in the [disclosure], which you ALSO deleted for your own purposes. I am not naming the site as if it doesnt pan out and they dont promote the NaVloPoMo videos, I dont want to see people disappointed. Oh. Ok. -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: Why don't you name the site then? Also, is that ALL you had to say about my entire rebuttal? :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Actually Bill, I was sent an email this morning after I posted this by a hosting site asking for a list of NaVloPoMo videos that they could promote. I didnt have to approach them. They had the ambition to approach me when they saw that there was a need to fill. Apparently, you dont *think* correctly. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: BTW... Is there anywhere else besides blip.tv where you would have the slightest, most miniscule, REMOTE chance of sending an email and MAYBE being featured on the front page of that host? I don't think so. :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com
[videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your opinion is your opinion. Admittedly coming from a biased viewpoint and not objective. So, I am rather nonplussed with what you've written and have nothing to add or continue discussing with you. You didn't DISCUSS anything in the first place. You selected the very end of my post and deleted EVERYTHING ELSE I said. Yes. Admittedly biased, which was in the [disclosure], which you ALSO deleted for your own purposes. I am not naming the site as if it doesnt pan out and they dont promote the NaVloPoMo videos, I dont want to see people disappointed. Oh. Ok. -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: Why don't you name the site then? Also, is that ALL you had to say about my entire rebuttal? :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Actually Bill, I was sent an email this morning after I posted this by a hosting site asking for a list of NaVloPoMo videos that they could promote. I didnt have to approach them. They had the ambition to approach me when they saw that there was a need to fill. Apparently, you dont *think* correctly. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: BTW... Is there anywhere else besides blip.tv where you would have the slightest, most miniscule, REMOTE chance of sending an email and MAYBE being featured on the front page of that host? I don't think so. :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com
[videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
Your opinion is your opinion. Admittedly coming from a biased viewpoint and not objective. So, I am rather nonplussed with what you've written and have nothing to add or continue discussing with you. I am not naming the site as if it doesnt pan out and they dont promote the NaVloPoMo videos, I dont want to see people disappointed. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you name the site then? Also, is that ALL you had to say about my entire rebuttal? :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Actually Bill, I was sent an email this morning after I posted this by a hosting site asking for a list of NaVloPoMo videos that they could promote. I didnt have to approach them. They had the ambition to approach me when they saw that there was a need to fill. Apparently, you dont *think* correctly. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: BTW... Is there anywhere else besides blip.tv where you would have the slightest, most miniscule, REMOTE chance of sending an email and MAYBE being featured on the front page of that host? I don't think so. :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com
[videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
Really cool videos for NaVloPoMo07! I just featured NaVloPoMo07 on the Mefeedia homepage: http://www.mefeedia.com I had to hack a solution to get it on the homepage - see the first how shows this week entry. Be sure to visit the tag, though, - all of the entries are there - and it is a far better playback experience and RSS solution (again, the show was so that i could quickly put it on the homepage): http://mefeedia.com/tags/NaVloPoMo07/ If you see a video that SHOULD be a part of this, and it is in mefeedia, login, go to the video page, and click Add a tag, then add the NaVloPoMo07 tag (of course, you could always change it at the source and we will pick it up too, but just in case you want instant gratification...). Regards, -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia http://www.mefeedia.com/user/franks - What are you watching? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn my typing. You asked me if that was all I was going to say about what you wrote and I said yes. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: What? In everything you wrote, you asked me one question. I removed what wasnt pertainent to the question and answered that question. You asked me if that was all I was going to say about what you wrote and I said no. Go play games with someone else. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Your opinion is your opinion. Admittedly coming from a biased viewpoint and not objective. So, I am rather nonplussed with what you've written and have nothing to add or continue discussing with you. You didn't DISCUSS anything in the first place. You selected the very end of my post and deleted EVERYTHING ELSE I said. Yes. Admittedly biased, which was in the [disclosure], which you ALSO deleted for your own purposes. I am not naming the site as if it doesnt pan out and they dont promote the NaVloPoMo videos, I dont want to see people disappointed. Oh. Ok. -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: Why don't you name the site then? Also, is that ALL you had to say about my entire rebuttal? :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Actually Bill, I was sent an email this morning after I posted this by a hosting site asking for a list of NaVloPoMo videos that they could promote. I didnt have to approach them. They had the ambition to approach me when they saw that there was a need to fill. Apparently, you dont *think* correctly. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: BTW... Is there anywhere else besides blip.tv where you would have the slightest, most miniscule, REMOTE chance of sending an email and MAYBE being featured on the front page of that host? I don't think so. :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com
[videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
Why don't you name the site then? Also, is that ALL you had to say about my entire rebuttal? :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually Bill, I was sent an email this morning after I posted this by a hosting site asking for a list of NaVloPoMo videos that they could promote. I didnt have to approach them. They had the ambition to approach me when they saw that there was a need to fill. Apparently, you dont *think* correctly. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: BTW... Is there anywhere else besides blip.tv where you would have the slightest, most miniscule, REMOTE chance of sending an email and MAYBE being featured on the front page of that host? I don't think so. :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com
[videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
Actually Bill, I was sent an email this morning after I posted this by a hosting site asking for a list of NaVloPoMo videos that they could promote. I didnt have to approach them. They had the ambition to approach me when they saw that there was a need to fill. Apparently, you dont *think* correctly. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW... Is there anywhere else besides blip.tv where you would have the slightest, most miniscule, REMOTE chance of sending an email and MAYBE being featured on the front page of that host? I don't think so. :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com
[videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the compliments Brook :) You are no slouch in this. You are creating wonderful videos yourself! It appears that the NaVloPoMo'vians are all breaking out of those molds and experimenting with new things. Here is something that I find troublesome... There are so many fantastic videos being created for navlopomo and the majority of them are being hosted on Blip. I just went to the Blip front page and I see not a mention of any NaVloPoMo videos on the front page. Nothing. I see that Cooking with Jack Black is a hit though. Wow. Really...just...wow. [disclosure: Everybody knows I'm a fan of the blip people, work ethic and business sense] It saddens me that Blip has gone the way of promoting Internet TV as their base and bypassed the independent videobloggers who, were really the ones that got them the attention when they first started up. Oh sure, occasionally Blip will feature a non internet television creator. The ratio is very lopsided though. That's not really what happened. As far as I recall, when I first started trolling http://blip.tv , they had two tabs. One of them was Shows and the other one was Episodes or something like that. If you clicked on the Shows tab, there wasn't JACK there! :D ... The top 6 shows never changed and either number 2 or number 3 was Josh Leo. Meanwhile, there were tons of episodes being loaded daily, so your 'eye' was attracted to the individual clips that were being presented. There was no initial blip focus on independent clips... It was that the shows didn't EXIST at all. :) Eventually, some of the shows gained some prominence, and the way I see it, blip INTELLIGENTLY went with the flow of their niche, which is online, serial shows. You had your Amanda Across America and Scriggity and Vlog Soup and Reinventing Television and Noodlescar and I think CommandN, etc. After they had a bunch of serial, episodic shows, they started with that player that would skip from show to show on the front page. After that, they progressed to how the page looks now. My point is that as far as I can see, there wasn't a change in blip's focus. It was that there was NOTHING to focus ON at the time, so it seemed that the site was all about people posting random clips. On top of that, blip.tv is a 'back end'. I complained AGES AGO that they had a one-way friends list system, where you couldn't tell if anyone else friended you, and they couldn't tell if you added them either. When I asked about that, the point was made to me that they weren't trying to be a destination site. So... Basically, what you were seeing originally was an 'uncovered' back-end site. All that stuff is still going on in the background, but that's what it always was, background processes. That doesn't make those random videos any less important than the serial shows, but it's not a niche. You can put random videos on YouTube, Revver, Veoh... ANYWHERE, including blip. What makes them stand out is their attention to and promotion of serial shows, NOT the fact that people can post random videos or even random *collections* of videos and get automatically featured on the front page. I see you've already responded to Adam's statements/questions about *requesting* some recognition. I'm sorry Blip. I really don't want to point fingers at you but...you are the ones that host my videos. I chose you then because I believed in what you were doing...back then. I'm troubled with what you've become. Alas, I guess you have to follow the money or promote where the money may be. I don't think it's a money issue. I think it's a business plan issue. I would imagine that blip.tv is a frontrunner in making deals for independent video producers to get either advertising dollars or directly sponsored, and they're honing their skills DAILY. Not that I run around looking for stuff like this, but I hadn't seen anything like the sponsorships that they got for Ze Frank's ARCHIVE... not even NEW shows!, which I think was DeWars and Amanda's sponsorship from PalTalk. Believe me. If you end up in a situation where you want your videos monetized, SOMETHING about the work that blip's putting in right this very minute is going to come in handy for you, either because of blip directly or because someone down the line followed their business model(S). So, when we, the Independents have been tossed to the side in favor of shows and internet tv, posts like yours Brook inspire me to continue promoting the people who do this fantastic creative work and push the boundaries. There's no tossing to the side. Blip.tv is a back-end. I never read anywhere that blip was focused on random videos. I *DID* read that they were focused on serial, episodic shows. Also, Adam's point about who is and isn't independent applies. Yes, everyone, please check out the amazing things that people are doing for NaVloPoMo.
[videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
Damn my typing. You asked me if that was all I was going to say about what you wrote and I said yes. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What? In everything you wrote, you asked me one question. I removed what wasnt pertainent to the question and answered that question. You asked me if that was all I was going to say about what you wrote and I said no. Go play games with someone else. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Your opinion is your opinion. Admittedly coming from a biased viewpoint and not objective. So, I am rather nonplussed with what you've written and have nothing to add or continue discussing with you. You didn't DISCUSS anything in the first place. You selected the very end of my post and deleted EVERYTHING ELSE I said. Yes. Admittedly biased, which was in the [disclosure], which you ALSO deleted for your own purposes. I am not naming the site as if it doesnt pan out and they dont promote the NaVloPoMo videos, I dont want to see people disappointed. Oh. Ok. -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: Why don't you name the site then? Also, is that ALL you had to say about my entire rebuttal? :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Actually Bill, I was sent an email this morning after I posted this by a hosting site asking for a list of NaVloPoMo videos that they could promote. I didnt have to approach them. They had the ambition to approach me when they saw that there was a need to fill. Apparently, you dont *think* correctly. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: BTW... Is there anywhere else besides blip.tv where you would have the slightest, most miniscule, REMOTE chance of sending an email and MAYBE being featured on the front page of that host? I don't think so. :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
1. I tend to not fuc* with people who provide me a tremendous service for free 2. Blip is an awesome firm quite possibly the best firm I've seen in the video, if not the entire web 2.0 space. It is, however, a firm of human beings. Please let them be human beings. The show vs. legacy-TV imitators thing is never going to be fully put to bed, because so few serialized web video programs fall within one extreme or another. It's a case by case thing, and not all of are going to agree. There's some real cool cats and some total douchebags in this space, and perhaps the best practice here is to catch people doing things right and tell everyone who wants to listen about that. We can all do better at this myself included. On 06/11/2007, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage wrote: Even though most of the shows on their front page could be labeled internet tv, that doesn't make them any less independent than your personal vlog, or Rupert's, or Schlomo's, or mine. I have Bullemhead.com to show my friends (like you) things from my life, things that catch my eye or ear. I don't care if only a handful of people see it, as long as it's the right handful. Wreck Salvage was born from a desire to share our work with a greater audience. We don't have any funding, corporate or otherwise. So how is our show less independent than a personal vlog? Not trying to start shit, just interested in your reasoning. Have you or anyone emailed the blip folks about promoting the NaVloPoMo? I'm sure they are open to suggestions, as that's pretty much been their M.O. from day one. You catch more flies with honey, etc. What is a show? We use the term to include anything which is regularly created, and which contains some degree of intent. Wreck and Salvage is most definitely a show, by our usage. As for TV, I don't know what TV is anymore. Does it cover public access? If there is a spectrum with Smallville on one side, and dogs on skateboards on the other, blip occupies a large area in the middle. The situation at blip is not that we feel we have outgrown the original vloggers in search for greener ($) pastures. It is that we are well occupied keeping up with growth and making sure our servers are serving. We have just moved offices, our project manager just left, and I don't even have time to update my blog anymore! So I am wondering if there is any truth to your criticism, that needs correcting, because we really don't intend to leave the community behind. But yes, if we had gotten an e-mail about NaVloPoMo, Eric certainly would have promoted it. -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: everyday video in November
Awesome Frank!! Thanks tons! David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really cool videos for NaVloPoMo07! I just featured NaVloPoMo07 on the Mefeedia homepage: http://www.mefeedia.com I had to hack a solution to get it on the homepage - see the first how shows this week entry. Be sure to visit the tag, though, - all of the entries are there - and it is a far better playback experience and RSS solution (again, the show was so that i could quickly put it on the homepage): http://mefeedia.com/tags/NaVloPoMo07/ If you see a video that SHOULD be a part of this, and it is in mefeedia, login, go to the video page, and click Add a tag, then add the NaVloPoMo07 tag (of course, you could always change it at the source and we will pick it up too, but just in case you want instant gratification...). Regards, -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia http://www.mefeedia.com/user/franks - What are you watching? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Damn my typing. You asked me if that was all I was going to say about what you wrote and I said yes. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: What? In everything you wrote, you asked me one question. I removed what wasnt pertainent to the question and answered that question. You asked me if that was all I was going to say about what you wrote and I said no. Go play games with someone else. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Your opinion is your opinion. Admittedly coming from a biased viewpoint and not objective. So, I am rather nonplussed with what you've written and have nothing to add or continue discussing with you. You didn't DISCUSS anything in the first place. You selected the very end of my post and deleted EVERYTHING ELSE I said. Yes. Admittedly biased, which was in the [disclosure], which you ALSO deleted for your own purposes. I am not naming the site as if it doesnt pan out and they dont promote the NaVloPoMo videos, I dont want to see people disappointed. Oh. Ok. -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: Why don't you name the site then? Also, is that ALL you had to say about my entire rebuttal? :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Actually Bill, I was sent an email this morning after I posted this by a hosting site asking for a list of NaVloPoMo videos that they could promote. I didnt have to approach them. They had the ambition to approach me when they saw that there was a need to fill. Apparently, you dont *think* correctly. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: BTW... Is there anywhere else besides blip.tv where you would have the slightest, most miniscule, REMOTE chance of sending an email and MAYBE being featured on the front page of that host? I don't think so. :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com
