Mary, I fully understand your standing regarding not using Speech Central
if it doesn't have a convenient Bookshare solution. That is more than
legitimate.
However as far as I know you pay for Bookshare, or if not US tax payers pay
instead some non trivial money each year. Also you don't pay
e safety from being
> understood, for those who understand us enslave something in us.
>
> Khalil Gibran.
>
>
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of
> *Joshua
> Hendrickson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2024 1:37 AM
> *To:* vip...@googlegro
, 2024, at 5:15 PM, Corey Cook wrote:Honestly its $59 for the year. Pay it or don’t. Corey Cook From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of The Evil Chocolate CookieSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 5:14 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream I disagree. Everyone
Cook From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary OttenSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 4:58 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream None of you who are saying Winston could’ve done this and that have any proof at all. Winston got out because he knew he
w.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 9:37 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream More over this company doesn’t keep their word. They said when they took over. That grandfathered users wou
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Corey
Cook
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Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I have a friend that is a grandfathered user and she got an email this morning
i
.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Kerry
Macdonald
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 2:57 PM
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Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
That’s true, however, Winston was very much engaged with the blind community
and talked to us about what worked
escription (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 9:37 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream More over this company doesn’t keep their word. They said when they
either
>> like it and pay or don't.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
>> Dennis Long
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:12 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice d
Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Chris
Chaffin
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
What I think is that originally the new owners thought that they would have
enough new subscribers to keep
der. That needs to be pointed out
>> to them. Again more than 50% of the cost of a screen reader. That reads my
>> computer screen to me and allows me to use my computer. If the company
>> thinks people will pay more than 50% of a screen reader subscription they
>>
(1932-2009)
My web site: <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis
Long
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
More over this company doesn’t
>
> They're going to switch to a subscription model for everyone and we either
> like it and pay or don't.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis
> Long
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroup
The same people complaining about this, will most likely get dinner using Uber
eats tonight.
Corey Cook
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
k...@axistech.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
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Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I have a friend that is a grandfathered user and she got an email this morning
informing her as of May 1 she would have to pay.
On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:17 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com
<mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
It’s not
and we either
like it and pay or don't.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis
Long
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I agree $20 I might go that. Even that is a might. I
I agree. It helps me a lot in my teaching.
- Original Message -
From: k...@axistech.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream, a blog post from Winston
Chen ...
Hello Richard,
This message
5 AM
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Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I agree if it were $10 or $20 a year I might think about it. but $60 again
more than 50% the cost of my screen reader I think not. I told them so.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.co
everyone pay for voice dream I’d expect this subscription could pay for things like new audio formats like ogg could be played. Also maybe newer voices like those from Microsofft. Take a chance and see what happens. I wish people weren’t so picky. I will support voice dream reader and I really hope
@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Feliciano GodoySent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:11 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream Hi all,It's unfortunate that this is a new subscription model for New users but I understand developers need to get paid for their work for such app
How much money do you save by using books share? How many books would you be purchasing if not for books share and reading with ease through Voice Dream reader? My problem isn’t the subscription as such. For instance, I can’t imagine paying for a weather app or a Parcel app, like somebody else’s.
It’s not clear to me where we older users are grandfathered into not paying or
not.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
Hi all,
It's
@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
Hi Group,
I would be willing to pay up to twenty dollars yearly, but this is ridiculous.
I could afford it, but it is still way too high
t; On Behalf Of
Dennis Long
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 2:41 AM
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Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
Not at these rates make it reasonable this is ridiculous.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:vip
No yearly as far as I can tell.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
leobado1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 7:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
so, are both choices available? monthly subscription and yearly subscription
:25 AM
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Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
Although I love Voice Dream, I think this is an outrage and simply greed on the
developers part. Yes, I know developers need to eat, but I think they are just
jumping on this subscription bandwagon that everyone ha
@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
Hi Group,
I would be willing to pay up to twenty dollars yearly, but this is
ridiculous. I could afford it, but it is still way too high for an app
Hi all,
It's unfortunate that this is a new subscription model for New users but I
understand developers need to get paid for their work for such app.
Considering Voice Dream inclusiveness with Accessibility, it's worth supporting
in my opinion if you use the app daily. They get continuous
: karl.axist...@gmail.com
Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream, a blog post from Winston Chen
...
Rl,
I have nothing
Agree. Twenty or thirty dollars even I would pay, but 60 a year is steep.
Understand they need to make money, however. I don’t know the percentage of
blind people who are not working or on SS, but bet a lot so they must make a
decision.
Reggie Alvarado
On Mar 26, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Ron
: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I buy books share because I can download a lot of books in a year. This is just
a standalone reading tool. It’s wonderful app but it’s just an app. I just
think that $59 a year for an app that you just listen to books on is way too
much. I will use some other
Hi Group,
I would be willing to pay up to twenty dollars yearly, but this is
ridiculous. I could afford it, but it is still way too high for an app
on an Apple device. As mentioned before, the average price of most apps
usable with IOS devices is between five and ten dollars US. Allowing
oups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream, a blog post from Winston Chen
...
Rl,
I have nothing to do with the company.
I am just a long time supporter and previously a beta tester for Winston back
in the early days.
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blin
er
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 9:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream, a blog post from Winston Chen
...
This decision to make Reader for macOS a subscription was not an easy one: I
agonized over it for the p
On Behalf Of
k...@axistech.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 8:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream, a blog post from Winston Chen
...
Hello Richard,
This message is very much appreciated and completely understandable.
Unfortunately in the free or lo
@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream, a blog post from Winston Chen ... This decision to make Reader for macOS a subscription was not an easy one: I agonized over it for the past two years, because I know a lot of people do not like subscriptions. And some of you who
googlegroups.com *On Behalf
Of *Gerardo Corripio
*Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2024 9:39 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has
a Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to
http://twitter.com/axistech
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 9:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream, a blog post from Winston Chen
...
This decision to make Reader for macOS
uesday, March 26, 2024 7:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I buy books share because I can download a lot of books in a year. This is just
a standalone reading tool. It’s wonderful app but it’s just an app. I just
think that $59 a year for an a
I buy books share because I can download a lot of books in a year. This is just a standalone reading tool. It’s wonderful app but it’s just an app. I just think that $59 a year for an app that you just listen to books on is way too much. I will use some other way to read I do plan on contacting
Hi Carrie,I agree with you completely and I'll send a message as well. I have no intention of paying their fee and I will simply find another book reader.JODYTo Boldly Go thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS Erik WeihenmayerOn Mar
Although I love Voice Dream, I think this is an outrage and simply greed on the developers part. Yes, I know developers need to eat, but I think they are just jumping on this subscription bandwagon that everyone has been doing these days which I feel is a very greedy way to do business. Those of
Of
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 5:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
That’s $5 a month.
I’m sure people waste $5 a month on crap they don’t need. Heck a streaming
service is more expensive. Bookshare is now $79
hope it gets boycotted. Again its more then half a Jaws subscription. That is a screen reader. They are way out of line with their pricing. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joshua HendricksonSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 3:37 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone
ent: Monday, March 25, 2024 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
Developers have to eat too. They should get paid.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
mailto:viphone
us enslave something in us.Khalil Gibran. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 1:38 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream Oh I reached out to them. They are ridiculous. I remember this company saying something
: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 1:38 AM
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Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
Oh I reached out to them. They are ridiculous. I remember this company saying
something if you had already purchased it. I’m off to find what that was. I
will again encourage everyone
@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joshua
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 1:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I’d expect this subscription could pay for things like new audio formats like
ogg could be played. Also maybe newer voices like those from
: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I’d expect this subscription could pay for things like new audio formats like
ogg could be played. Also maybe newer voices like those from Microsofft. Take a
chance and see what happens. I wish people weren’t so picky. I will support
voice dream reader and I
They aren't considering that a large number of blind people can't afford $60 a
year. They aren't also considering that a large number of blind people aren't
able to find jobs in the USA.More over if it were more reasonably priced
maybe and it’s a big maybe. It would be a big maybe because
Of regina
alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
The email said it starts on May 1. When I went to the link, it showed me that
it was $59 a year. It had all kinds of things they had done and why they would
Not at these rates make it reasonable this is ridiculous.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
Developers have to eat too. They should get
. This is more then 50 percent of
what a Jaws subscription is in the USA I don’t think so.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I mentioned DAISY Easy Reader
I’d expect this subscription could pay for things like new audio formats like ogg could be played. Also maybe newer voices like those from Microsofft. Take a chance and see what happens. I wish people weren’t so picky. I will support voice dream reader and I really hope others will do so as well.
There are two other alternatives worth mentioning, if what one mostly uses Voice Dream for is to read Bookshare books. If one already has a Victor Reader Stream, it can be used and books can be downloaded to it directly. Also, if one already has Jaws on a computer, Jaws has FS reader within it.
Gera i agreee with you completely. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn Mar 26, 2024, at 12:44 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:Here in Mexico, $60 is almost a thousand Mexican pesos! Yeah I know... you can divide 1000 per month, which would be around 150 or so, but if you've already bought
day, March 25, 2024 9:39 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream ends up being subscriptiononly. G
i won't pay for it. i did already. if i had not already paid for it that would be one thing. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn Mar 26, 2024, at 12:11 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote:I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year for voice dream reader. For
rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Gerardo CorripioSent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:39 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for v
Hi Group,
The Book Share program itself now has its own app. It is free and while
a bit limited, it does read book share books quite well and the recent
addition of a bookmark feature makes it usable in that limited context.
On 3/26/2024 12:38 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
You guys are
@googlegroups.com *On Behalf
Of *Cristóbal Muñoz
*Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2024 7:05 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
So I opened up the app again and got the banner at the bottom of the
screen. Not sure if I’ll sign onto the $60, but honestly, I
:*viphone@googlegroups.com *On Behalf
Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2024 5:41 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said
when he sold Voice
using an app that works mostly flawlessly and
certainly is, in my opinion, worth the $60 per year.
Cheers,
Marco
*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com *On Behalf
Of *Joshua
Hendrickson
*Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2024 9:11 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Making everyone pay for voice
There’s a reason why they’re free. I’ll leave it at that.
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Turner
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:55 PM
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Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
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2009)
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Corripio
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
You guys are forgetting about th
@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year for voice dream reader. For me, it is one of the best apps out there for reading both ebooks and audio content. I’ll tell you all some of the recent changes
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Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
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I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year
for voice dream reader
I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year for voice dream reader. For me, it is one of the best apps out there for reading both ebooks and audio content. I’ll tell you all some of the recent changes the new owners have done for us all. They have recently allowed
Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not
@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cristóbal MuñozSent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:05 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream So I opened up the app again and got the banner at the bottom of the screen. Not sure if I’ll sign onto the $60, but honestly, I more than got my
Developers have to eat too. They should get paid.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
So I opened up the app again and got the banner at the bottom
,
for those who understand us enslave something in us.
Khalil Gibran.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of regina
alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 5:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
The email said it starts on May 1. When I went
Developers gotta eat too. If I get billed I’ll pay $59 a year gladly.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never
heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just
too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to
download
: Making everyone pay for voice dream I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started
@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Monday, March 25, 2024 5:41 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I
of loneliness and the safety from being understood,
for those who understand us enslave something in us.
Khalil Gibran.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 5:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already
started the Mac version as a
The support email address did not change, the new owners bought the rights to the name Voice Dream.So the support email address is supp...@voicedream.comChris On Mar 25, 2024, at 6:29 PM, Earle wrote:How did you get the developers email address? When I look in the app I still see the old
How did you get the developers email address? When I look in the app I still see the old address.EarleSent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 6:16 PM, Chris Chaffin wrote:I am not sure this effects everybody. Or, at least at this moment. My voice Dream is still fully functional at this point.
I am not sure this effects everybody. Or, at least at this moment. My voice Dream is still fully functional at this point. I even took Voice Dream out of my app switcher and restarted it, and the banner never came up again.To hopefully get some information on what exactly the banner was about,
@googlegroups.com
On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I updated and when the notice came up in the app I
: viphone@googlegroups.com
On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I updated and when the notice came up
in us.
Khalil Gibran.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 3:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I don’t know if it’s been stated, but for those who received that message, were
you one time
Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
I updated and when the notice came up in the app I clicked on the learn more
thing at the bottom of the screen and the announcement went away and it did not
take me an
I actually got an email and it told me to learn more with a link and then went on to tell me all the wonderful reasons they made the decision and all they added which I didn’t figure I needed as I use it for BKS. Reggie Alvarado On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:46 PM, Dan wrote:
I
I updated and when the notice came up in
the app I clicked on the learn more thing at the bottom of the
screen and the announcement went away and it did not take me
anywhere I could learn more, it just wen back to the list of
books I have.
Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
> On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:27 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Where did you receive this message? I updated VDR today, and a window
> popped up saying something about a price change, but didn't get to read in
> more detail because It got closed before I could
Where did you receive this message? I updated VDR today, and a window popped
up saying something about a price change, but didn't get to read in more detail
because It got closed before I could do something.
Cheers,
Leo Bado.
I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being
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