Re: [Wikitech-l] Roadmaps and getting and keeping devs

2011-02-13 Thread Roan Kattouw
2011/2/13 Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com: This has gotten better lately, WMF created a bugmeister position and the bugmeister tries to respond to most if not all bugs after being reported. We should definitely keep up with this and try to at least confirm every problem that is being

Re: [Wikitech-l] Roadmaps and getting and keeping devs

2011-02-13 Thread Ashar Voultoiz
On 13/02/11 11:54, Roan Kattouw wrote: Bugzilla patches are another matter, yes, but I think making sure patches get reviewed can be a Bugmeister task. We get relatively few patches through Bugzilla these days anyway. Maybe once 1.17 is released, we should focus on the bugzilla patch queue

Re: [Wikitech-l] Roadmaps and getting and keeping devs

2011-02-13 Thread Diederik van Liere
Maybe we can make the bugathon part of the Berlin hackaton? On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote: On 13/02/11 11:54, Roan Kattouw wrote: Bugzilla patches are another matter, yes, but I think making sure patches get reviewed can be a Bugmeister task. We

[Wikitech-l] Roadmaps and getting and keeping devs

2011-02-12 Thread David Gerard
These have been circulating in the open source Twitterspere today. They struck me as apposite to discussions on these topics around MediaWiki. How to write a roadmap: http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2011/02/07/drawing-up-a-roadmap/ How to grow your contributor community (and how to decimate it):

Re: [Wikitech-l] Roadmaps and getting and keeping devs

2011-02-12 Thread Leo
On Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 at 17:55, David Gerard wrote: How to grow your contributor community (and how to decimate it): http://www.codesimplicity.com/post/open-source-community-simplified/ and imo, wikimedia fails at a lot of these points: *Quote: Respond to contributions immediately.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Roadmaps and getting and keeping devs

2011-02-12 Thread Diederik van Liere
For the last months I have been going through Bugzilla and what strikes me is that we are not using it as efficiently as other communities do. In particular, there is little follow up to reported problems (as Leo mentioned as well). On the short term, I think we can have a bugathon to clean up

Re: [Wikitech-l] Roadmaps and getting and keeping devs

2011-02-12 Thread Ryan Lane
Have a bugathon where we label a lot of bugs as appropriate bugathon bugs that need either: a) test patch / update patch to recent svn version a) confirmation / replication of new / unconfirmed bugs We can provide a simple ready to go Wiki installation for people to use for bug triaging and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Roadmaps and getting and keeping devs

2011-02-12 Thread Diederik van Liere
I think one way that non technical people can help is by trying to replicate bugs, if they follow the steps as described in the bugreport Do you get the same malfunction or not. That would be a great help as it weeds out invalid bugreports Sent from my iPhone On 2011-02-12, at 17:26, phoebe

Re: [Wikitech-l] Roadmaps and getting and keeping devs

2011-02-12 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: Have a bugathon where we label a lot of bugs as appropriate bugathon bugs that need either: a) test patch / update patch to recent svn version a) confirmation / replication of new / unconfirmed bugs We can provide a simple

Re: [Wikitech-l] Roadmaps and getting and keeping devs

2011-02-12 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Leo diebu...@gmail.com wrote: *Quote: Respond to contributions immediately. This is what I think bugs me the most. There are heaps of bugs which have had patches attached for month or years. For newcomers, who maybe spent a lot of time on these, it's just

Re: [Wikitech-l] Roadmaps and getting and keeping devs

2011-02-12 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In article AANLkTi=nq2tookvgmhrxbegvr6fzxe1wzv9dbzde4...@mail.gmail.com, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: Have a bugathon where we label a lot of bugs as appropriate bugathon bugs that need either: a) test patch / update patch to recent svn

Re: [Wikitech-l] Roadmaps and getting and keeping devs

2011-02-12 Thread Ryan Lane
I believe the next hack-a-ton is in Berlin, soon. Perhaps requiring people to travel to another country to participate in this is part of the problem.  I don't doubt that real-life meetings are useful for Wikimedia Foundation employees and existing MW contributors, but it doesn't do much to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Roadmaps and getting and keeping devs

2011-02-12 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
Leo diebu...@gmail.com writes: *Quote: Respond to contributions immediately. This is what I think bugs me the most. There are heaps of bugs which have had patches attached for month or years. For newcomers, who maybe spent a lot of time on these, it's just rude to neither commit them nor