Dan, This is good to hear as we are heavily invested in Spark as are many of our competitors in the AdTech/Telecom world. It would be nice to have Kudu be on par with the other data store technologies in terms of Spark usability, so as to not choose one based on “who provides it now in production”, as management tends to say.
Cheers, Ben > On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Dan Burkert <d...@cloudera.com> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:05 AM, Benjamin Kim <bbuil...@gmail.com > <mailto:bbuil...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Over the weekend, the row count is up to <500M. I will give it another few > days to get to 1B rows. I still get consistent times ~15s for doing row > counts despite the amount of data growing. > > On another note, I got a solicitation email from SnappyData to evaluate their > product. They claim to be the “Spark Data Store” with tight integration with > Spark executors. It claims to be an OLTP and OLAP system with being an > in-memory data store first then to disk. After going to several Spark events, > it would seem that this is the new “hot” area for vendors. They all (MemSQL, > Redis, Aerospike, Datastax, etc.) claim to be the best "Spark Data Store”. > I’m wondering if Kudu will become this too? With the performance I’ve seen so > far, it would seem that it can be a contender. All that is needed is a > hardened Spark connector package, I would think. The next evaluation I will > be conducting is to see if SnappyData’s claims are valid by doing my own > tests. > > It's hard to compare Kudu against any other data store without a lot of > analysis and thorough benchmarking, but it is certainly a goal of Kudu to be > a great platform for ingesting and analyzing data through Spark. Up till > this point most of the Spark work has been community driven, but more > thorough integration testing of the Spark connector is going to be a focus > going forward. > > - Dan > > > Cheers, > Ben > > > >> On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:47 AM, Todd Lipcon <t...@cloudera.com >> <mailto:t...@cloudera.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi Benjamin, >> >> What workload are you using for benchmarks? Using spark or something more >> custom? rdd or data frame or SQL, etc? Maybe you can share the schema and >> some queries >> >> Todd >> >> Todd >> >> On Jun 15, 2016 8:10 AM, "Benjamin Kim" <bbuil...@gmail.com >> <mailto:bbuil...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hi Todd, >> >> Now that Kudu 0.9.0 is out. I have done some tests. Already, I am impressed. >> Compared to HBase, read and write performance are better. Write performance >> has the greatest improvement (> 4x), while read is > 1.5x. Albeit, these are >> only preliminary tests. Do you know of a way to really do some conclusive >> tests? I want to see if I can match your results on my 50 node cluster. >> >> Thanks, >> Ben >> >>> On May 30, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Todd Lipcon <t...@cloudera.com >>> <mailto:t...@cloudera.com>> wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Benjamin Kim <bbuil...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:bbuil...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> Todd, >>> >>> It sounds like Kudu can possibly top or match those numbers put out by >>> Aerospike. Do you have any performance statistics published or any >>> instructions as to measure them myself as good way to test? In addition, >>> this will be a test using Spark, so should I wait for Kudu version 0.9.0 >>> where support will be built in? >>> >>> We don't have a lot of benchmarks published yet, especially on the write >>> side. I've found that thorough cross-system benchmarks are very difficult >>> to do fairly and accurately, and often times users end up misguided if they >>> pay too much attention to them :) So, given a finite number of developers >>> working on Kudu, I think we've tended to spend more time on the project >>> itself and less time focusing on "competition". I'm sure there are use >>> cases where Kudu will beat out Aerospike, and probably use cases where >>> Aerospike will beat Kudu as well. >>> >>> From my perspective, it would be great if you can share some details of >>> your workload, especially if there are some areas you're finding Kudu >>> lacking. Maybe we can spot some easy code changes we could make to improve >>> performance, or suggest a tuning variable you could change. >>> >>> -Todd >>> >>> >>>> On May 27, 2016, at 9:19 PM, Todd Lipcon <t...@cloudera.com >>>> <mailto:t...@cloudera.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Benjamin Kim <bbuil...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:bbuil...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> Hi Mike, >>>> >>>> First of all, thanks for the link. It looks like an interesting read. I >>>> checked that Aerospike is currently at version 3.8.2.3, and in the >>>> article, they are evaluating version 3.5.4. The main thing that impressed >>>> me was their claim that they can beat Cassandra and HBase by 8x for >>>> writing and 25x for reading. Their big claim to fame is that Aerospike can >>>> write 1M records per second with only 50 nodes. I wanted to see if this is >>>> real. >>>> >>>> 1M records per second on 50 nodes is pretty doable by Kudu as well, >>>> depending on the size of your records and the insertion order. I've been >>>> playing with a ~70 node cluster recently and seen 1M+ writes/second >>>> sustained, and bursting above 4M. These are 1KB rows with 11 columns, and >>>> with pretty old HDD-only nodes. I think newer flash-based nodes could do >>>> better. >>>> >>>> >>>> To answer your questions, we have a DMP with user profiles with many >>>> attributes. We create segmentation information off of these attributes to >>>> classify them. Then, we can target advertising appropriately for our sales >>>> department. Much of the data processing is for applying models on all or >>>> if not most of every profile’s attributes to find similarities (nearest >>>> neighbor/clustering) over a large number of rows when batch processing or >>>> a small subset of rows for quick online scoring. So, our use case is a >>>> typical advanced analytics scenario. We have tried HBase, but it doesn’t >>>> work well for these types of analytics. >>>> >>>> I read, that Aerospike in the release notes, they did do many improvements >>>> for batch and scan operations. >>>> >>>> I wonder what your thoughts are for using Kudu for this. >>>> >>>> Sounds like a good Kudu use case to me. I've heard great things about >>>> Aerospike for the low latency random access portion, but I've also heard >>>> that it's _very_ expensive, and not particularly suited to the columnar >>>> scan workload. Lastly, I think the Apache license of Kudu is much more >>>> appealing than the AGPL3 used by Aerospike. But, that's not really a >>>> direct answer to the performance question :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ben >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 27, 2016, at 6:21 PM, Mike Percy <mpe...@cloudera.com >>>>> <mailto:mpe...@cloudera.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Have you considered whether you have a scan heavy or a random access >>>>> heavy workload? Have you considered whether you always access / update a >>>>> whole row vs only a partial row? Kudu is a column store so has some >>>>> awesome performance characteristics when you are doing a lot of scanning >>>>> of just a couple of columns. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know the answer to your question but if your concern is >>>>> performance then I would be interested in seeing comparisons from a perf >>>>> perspective on certain workloads. >>>>> >>>>> Finally, a year ago Aerospike did quite poorly in a Jepsen test: >>>>> https://aphyr.com/posts/324-jepsen-aerospike >>>>> <https://aphyr.com/posts/324-jepsen-aerospike> >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if they have addressed any of those issues. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, May 27, 2016, Benjamin Kim <bbuil...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:bbuil...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> I am just curious. How will Kudu compare with Aerospike >>>>> (http://www.aerospike.com <http://www.aerospike.com/>)? I went to a Spark >>>>> Roadshow and found out about this piece of software. It appears to fit >>>>> our use case perfectly since we are an ad-tech company trying to leverage >>>>> our user profiles data. Plus, it already has a Spark connector and has a >>>>> SQL-like client. The tables can be accessed using Spark SQL DataFrames >>>>> and, also, made into SQL tables for direct use with Spark SQL ODBC/JDBC >>>>> Thriftserver. I see from the work done here >>>>> http://gerrit.cloudera.org:8080/#/c/2992/ >>>>> <http://gerrit.cloudera.org:8080/#/c/2992/> that the Spark integration is >>>>> well underway and, from the looks of it lately, almost complete. I would >>>>> prefer to use Kudu since we are already a Cloudera shop, and Kudu is easy >>>>> to deploy and configure using Cloudera Manager. I also hope that some of >>>>> Aerospike’s speed optimization techniques can make it into Kudu in the >>>>> future, if they have not been already thought of or included. >>>>> >>>>> Just some thoughts… >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ben >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Mike Percy >>>>> Software Engineer, Cloudera >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Todd Lipcon >>>> Software Engineer, Cloudera >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Todd Lipcon >>> Software Engineer, Cloudera >> > >
