There is excellent work on You Tube. There are excellent people calling themselves videobloggers on You Tube doing work that can stand with that of the people Rupert cites and who have carved out niches where there is dynamic conversation going in relatively flame-free environment.
Here's one, who I've posted before: youtube.com/atree3 And yes, there are droves of imagination-free talking headers (that is NOT saying anyone doing talking-head vlogs is imagination-free) and 13 year old (and 50 year olds who are still 13 inside) flamers/abusers and lolcatz or whatever. The problem is indeed, as Gena suggests, finding the pearls in the ocean of plastic bags. And YouTube is, for better or worse, now a (the?) public commons AND a genuine exhibition space. It also now has by far the best re-encoding quality around (blip's approach of letting you do your own is naturally preferable, at least to me), and is continually trying to become more relevant and maker-friendly. This is coming from someone who has have a knee-jerk avoidance reaction to big companies and big sites. Like it or not, for 95% of people You Tube = Online Video. Just like Kleenex = facial tissue. The term "vlogger" was co-opted. Just like so many alterna-labels before, from ambient music (what the hell does Music for Airports have to do with rhythmic chill-out music?) to "video artist" (I'm sure Bill Viola and Bruce Naumann do not think of themselves as "VJs".). It turned into YouTube vlogs, sites like vloggerheads positioned themselves as the alternative to that, and just as almost no one remembers Jennicam, few recognize the roots of vlogging in what happened among the remarkable folks in this group. That's sad (also correctable in the long run), but vlogging's not dead. It's just gone mainstream, and as happens to so many things, became watered down in the process. Brook On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:06 PM, compumavengal <compumaven...@earthlink.net>wrote: > > > Rupert there are people doing diverse work - just they don't call > themselves videobloggers. The problem is that it is still too hard to find > alternative content. Search engines don't cut it for us. They can help but > alternative distribution paths have to be consider. > > It is hard to hold on when you don't know if your being seen or heard. > > This is an excellent video of podcaster Adrea Ross at PAB2010. She is > explaining how she and her husband got started, the ups and then downs of > what they were doing. When they stopped the podcast, things happened. > > > http://www.podcastersacrossborders.com/2010/07/07/contested-irrelevance-a-pab2010-jolt-by-andrea-ross/ > > Podcasters Across Borders > http://www.podcastersacrossborders.com > > I would have loved to be a good as Croma, Daniel and the others. I'm not. > But last Saturday I recorded video of poets. I was where I needed to be. I > freely give them the video to do whatever they want with it. > > There are other communities that need to be included. We do what we can > when we can. > > Gena > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > Rupert Howe <rup...@...> wrote: > > > > I agree that the technology has evolved and is more widely used, and > > people are moving on to more advanced and commercial ways of making > > videos, and that some of our technological 'goals' have been achieved. > > > > But it's more the *type* of videos that I'm thinking about. > > > > From 2004-7, I got excited about a new type of video - not a talking > > head webcam monologue or a clone of a commercial TV format, but the > > capturing and sharing of moments, editing them together and creating > > what were in effect personal documentaries. An individual observing > > and interpreting the world around them with a pocket video camera and > > iMovie. Transforming Life to Art, intentionally or not. > > > > - Cutting personal video diaries into nicely cut fllms > > - or just stitching together moving snapshots like a photo album > > - or passionate handheld to-camera opinions, observations and > > conversations. > > - and beyond that, a wider range of more experimental personal video > > art. > > > > All in the context of comments & community. > > > > I'm thinking of the range from Mike Moon to Ryanne Hodson to David > > Kessler to Robert Croma to Daniel Liss. > > > > Quite a range, but you could curate an exhibition with videos from all > > of them and see a clear coherent link. > > > > Maybe all this stuff is still going on, I just don't see so much of it > > any more. > > > > Rupert > > http://twittervlog.tv > > > > > > > > > > > > On 19 Jul 2010, at 13:41, compumavengal wrote: > > > > > No, I don't think it is dead but it has been evolving for quite some > > > time. Many of the goals of the early pioneers and adopters have been > > > achieved. > > > > > > We wanted to be able to upload and distribute our content. We wanted > > > engagement by a diverse group of people. We got it. > > > > > > There are people who are not videobloggers that are using the tools > > > and skills to promote goods and services. There are even more that > > > are documenting the good, better and best parts of human nature. Or > > > the worst cuz that is necessary too. > > > > > > Those folks don't get the recognition that they should but it is > > > happening. > > > > > > The YT community is evolving as well. The pressure of monitization > > > is pushing Google into rentals, more agreements with mainstream > > > providers and special projects where they control the direction of > > > the user content. > > > > > > Yet the individual YT'ers continue to hold their communities together. > > > For how long I don't know. They are facing changes as well. > > > > > > Rupert, you were one of the first to actively push the line of cell/ > > > mobile video and look at what has happened and continues to happen > > > in that realm. iPad/Android is changing yet again what and how > > > people are consuming content. > > > > > > Will user generated content be locked out or do we have a say in it? > > > There are still areas to explore. There are still people to > > > encourage and engage. > > > > > > Whoa, gotta go. > > > > > > Gena > > > http://createvideonotebook.blogspot.com > > > http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > Rupert Howe <rupert@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thoughtful post from Clintus McGintus today on idoitdigital.com > > > > > > > > http://idoitdigital.com/2010/07/15/the-video-blogger-is-dead/ > > > > > > > > He mourns the passing of the videoblogging community where people > > > > documented & shared their lives - now replaced by YouTubers. > > > > > > > > He has a more positive note about his continued commitment to it > > > from > > > > 2:15 onwards, but the first part of it is really a sad statement > > > about > > > > how creative personal videoblogging differs from YouTube > > > entertainment > > > > and how it died. > > > > > > > > I think he's more or less right in this assessment. I largely blame > > > > the toxic culture on YouTube, which meant good videobloggers were > > > > reluctant to transition to YouTube, which was where all the > > > audiences > > > > were. > > > > > > > > So YouTube videos get millions of views, while videobloggers only > > > got > > > > a few dozen or hundred on their own blog. Only the most > > > exhibitionist > > > > of people want to open themselves up in a place which is full of the > > > > ugliest anonymous internet hate. It's fine if you're doing a 'show' > > > > or a piece of entertainment or something informative - and not at > > > all > > > > fine if it's more personal or artistic. I'm not exactly introverted, > > > > and I'm not prepared to do it. > > > > > > > > So the only place for non-geeks to feel comfortable sharing personal > > > > media is the horrific Facebook, where only a handful of people can > > > see > > > > it. And videoblogging has never been about making stuff for your > > > > family and close friends. It's been about reaching out into the > > > > world, and making personal documentary videoblogs that have a bit > > > more > > > > creative element to them. > > > > > > > > More than anything, though, it's about the human connections and > > > > responses and conversation that arise from doing it. It's a vicious > > > > cycle of lots of people having given up, so there's less > > > conversation > > > > and encouragement, so even more people give up. Now there's hardly > > > > anybody. > > > > > > > > This group started as an amazing collection of artists, filmmakers, > > > > commercial show producers, people filming their families, early > > > > adopters, sharks and madmen - the whole range of people interested > > > in > > > > using video online by hacking it into blogs - meaning that more > > > people > > > > experimented with personal video. Now most of those people have > > > found > > > > other places to use and talk about video online, more suited to > > > their > > > > interests & focus. I wonder if there's any future for personal > > > > videoblogging, or whether it was just a strange passing anomaly that > > > > only resulted from that brief moment in time. > > > > > > > > Rupert > > > > http://twittervlog.tv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! 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