Thanks for taking the time to reply, Dave. I won't ask you to wade back through my overlong posts - I was obviously unclear, since you're arguing with points I wasn't making.
I was talking about a specific *type* of videoblog which seems to have largely died out, following on from Clintus's video. I wasn't attacking YouTube - I was just saying that it hasn't been a very welcoming environment for the type of videos that I was talking about. I did try to spearhead a transition to YouTube a couple of years ago, but it didn't take. I'm not attacking you or chastising you for using YouTube. I think it's very inspiring that you've built such a successful videoblog using YouTube. Other people have their preferences and they voice them vigorously, so I'm sorry if they've attacked you for using YouTube - although I hadn't, and you argued with me that I had, so maybe you see more attacks than there actually are. Personally. I'm not that fussed - whatever works for the specific project and type of content. I'm working on two YouTube based projects right now using YouTube annotations. It's just that YouTube didn't work for the small community of people making this specific type of content a couple of years ago. So - no argument. Turns out from what Brook said that there is some of that type of content on YouTube, it's just that I haven't found it. So that's exciting. Still sad that the other stuff has gone, though. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 20 Jul 2010, at 04:42, David Jones wrote: > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Brook Hinton <bhin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > There is excellent work on You Tube. There are excellent people > calling > > themselves videobloggers on You Tube doing work that can stand > with that of > > the people Rupert cites and who have carved out niches where there > is > > dynamic conversation going in relatively flame-free environment. > > I agree. > > "Youtubers" have not displaced anything or anyone, they are simply yet > more content. If you don't like their content, don't watch, I can't > see how they impact other video bloggers. > > Also, there is more than one side to every story, the world isn't > black and white. Everyone has their own content and their own views, > there is no one right way to "video blog" and produce content. > And there is no one right way to use Youtube. > > >Rupert: > >So YouTube videos get millions of views, while videobloggers only got > >a few dozen or hundred on their own blog. Only the most exhibitionist > >of people want to open themselves up in a place which is full of the > >ugliest anonymous internet hate. It's fine if you're doing a 'show' > >or a piece of entertainment or something informative - and not at all > >fine if it's more personal or artistic. I'm not exactly introverted, > >and I'm not prepared to do it. > > Sorry, but that's simply your choice, not a destined reality for most > people I suspect. > > What's the hosting medium got to do with an individual's channel?, > very little from my experience. Sure you might get a few idiot > comments (if they bother to find you and watch), but it's hardly > anything worth worth worrying about and I don't understand why anyone > would care about it at all. > If someone puts their video out into the public eye and then can't > handle someone saying it's crap or whatever, then I'd suggest they > find another interest! Life is too short to worry about idiot > comments. > Don't like the comments?, disable them and only allow comments on your > own blog site with tighter control. You can still use Youtube for > hosting and still benefit from the exposure. > > You usually can't have a large audience AND only positive comments, > the world doesn't work like that. The bigger and more diverse your > audience, the greater your chance of getting that one nutter that > leaves abusive comments etc. Doesn't matter if you use Youtube, Vimeo, > your own blog site, or whatever > > >So the only place for non-geeks to feel comfortable sharing personal > >media is the horrific Facebook, where only a handful of people can > see > >it. > > Rubbish. > If you think you've been forced into a corner like that then I think > that's very sad indeed. > (yes, Facebook is rubbish!) > Non-geeks are quite capable of using and having great success with > Youtube with little of the vitriol you mention. > The online world is full of people and comments you won't like, > Youtube is not unique in this aspect, not by any stretch of the > imagination, it happens almost everywhere. > Ever tried posting to a Usenet newsgroup or some other open online BBS > style forum? > Ever seen the comments posted to online news stories? > It's everywhere, you have to learn to deal with it or ignore it. > > > And videoblogging has never been about making stuff for your > >family and close friends. It's been about reaching out into the > >world, and making personal documentary videoblogs that have a bit > more > >creative element to them. > > Says who? > > > And YouTube is, for better or worse, now a (the?) public commons > AND a > > genuine exhibition space. It also now has by far the best re- > encoding > > quality around (blip's approach of letting you do your own is > naturally > > preferable, at least to me), and is continually trying to become > more > > relevant and maker-friendly. This is coming from someone who has > have a > > knee-jerk avoidance reaction to big companies and big sites. Like > it or not, > > for 95% of people You Tube = Online Video. Just like Kleenex = > facial > > tissue. > > Correct. > And strangely enough I often get chastised when I encourage new video > bloggers to use Youtube, and I don't quite understand why. > In my view you'd be crazy NOT to capitalise on the success of Youtube. > > Dave. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
