Answering Nathan Awrich: My blog reply: http://bit.ly/HwaYsr
No-one on this list has shown that they understand the concept of the possibility of Wikipedia actually doing anything wrong, nor of the concept of responding to outside comments in any way other than spin. If someone pointed out an obvious bad rust attack on your car, you'd never consider any response other than painting over it. And again, EVEN WHEN I'VE POINTED OUT THE PROBLEM, you STILL don't see it. ...Even though it would be obvious beforehand to any civilised person that no worthwhile organisation could treat criticisms from outside as always irrelevant. Didn't someone hail "democracy" as an asset of Wikipedia? That would be democracy of those INSIDE it then; outsiders don't count and aren't worth listening to - ever... whoever they are. Awrich: attempting to grab the world's knowledge, then endorsing the complete removal of obviously correct contributions made by a genuine and qualified scientific researcher because of one or two Wiki-fiddlers qualified with nothing but pretty stars, is a stupidly destructive act. When Putin does something that bad he looks cynically around to show people how little he cares... but you don't seem even to notice you've done it. And when a genuine misdemeanour is pointed out, IT'S THE CULPRIT WHO IS IN THE WRONG NOT THE WHISTLEBLOWER. Keep making that mistake with me and you'll end up even more sore. Wikipedia is using the clumsy culture, morals and intellect of a kindergarten gang to degrade the world's knowledge and shackle its growth. Watching this is like watching the Nazis march into Paris, or the barbarians burning the library at Alexandria. We've learned that the response to such actions is not regret but attack. If you ever learn anything, you're going to learn to respect integrity and intellectuality. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:45 AM, JP Béland <lebo.bel...@gmail.com> wrote: > ...or not about. > > JP > > > 2013/10/28 Akhil Mulgaonker <liberal...@gmail.com> > > > Pr is supposed to educate the world what wikipedia is all about. > > > > On Monday, October 28, 2013, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > The best response to complaints and criticism is for the people that > > > complain and criticise to be invited to be part of the solution. > SOFIXIT > > is > > > the mantra that brought us a lot of good. YES, I find it important that > > > people are aware of the things that are dear to me. I blog about them > > and I > > > do not only blog about them. I do what I can to make a difference. I > edit > > > in Wikidata on subjects that are relevant and do not get the attention > > they > > > deserve. I do invite people to work on fixes for templates that need > > fixing > > > in a Wikipedia and I do showcase why the Occitan Wikipedia is at the > > > forefront of getting our information out. > > > > > > PR is important and makes a difference, people need to see that work is > > > done. People need to see that things progress. And really JJ you can > > make a > > > difference too when you know so well what work needs to be done. When > you > > > think there is nothing that you can do, I am sure we can find something > > for > > > you that makes a difference in the things you care for. First thing is > > for > > > you to know what you care for and how much you want to involve > yourself. > > > Thanks, > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > On 28 October 2013 16:43, John Jackson <strangetrut...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > The best response to complaints and criticism is PR is it? > > > > > > > > How about correcting the faults people have gone to the trouble of > > > > identifying for you, instead of trying to disguise them? > > > > > > > > JJ > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen > > > > <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned three things ... When you are interested in if the > > > Wikipedia > > > > > gets mentioned in the news.. look at the BBC again and look at what > > it > > > > has > > > > > to say. http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=wikipedia I am not > > > > > complaining. > > > > > > > > > > I even go a step further, I mention the things that I think are > > > positive > > > > > regularly on my blog. If anything there is so much that people can > do > > > > that > > > > > will have a positive impact. At that I tend to move away from > > negative > > > > > encounters. Typically they are not worth it. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 18:51, JP Béland <lebo.bel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This is about Wikipedia Zero in particular, but what has been > done > > by > > > > > WMF's > > > > > > PR section about Wikipedia in general and its image with the > > general > > > > > > public? > > > > > > > > > > > > Amqui > > > > > > On Oct 25, 2013 10:36 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" < > > > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what the BBC has to say ... today... > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24662267 > > > > > > > Gerard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 18:04, JP Béland <lebo.bel...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about PR? What have been done in this regard? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amqui > > > > > > > > On Oct 25, 2013 8:44 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" < > > > > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people > who > > > see > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > improve. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notable improvements happen here: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - visual editor > > > > > > > > > - wikipedia zero > > > > > > > > > - wikidata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion they have the potential to change our way of > > work > > > > and > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > reach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker < > > > liberal...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia > > corporation > > > > > > > personnel, > > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to > > rejuvenate > > > > our > > > > > > > > > project. > > > > > > > > > > We need to remember our goal, to create a library of all > > > human > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > > and progress. Peoples view of the pr > > > > > > > > -- > > *AKHIL MULGAONKER * > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikipedia-l mailing list > > Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
