I know...my bad for not realizing the list wasn’t cc’d on my reply which I thought it was.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:57 AM Fred Heutte <ph...@sunlightdata.com> wrote: > I'm not Kent. > > ----------------- > >Good job Kent, risk losing many rather than risk “offending†(or > better > >yet, removing) one. I’m sure she’ll have fun taking to herself since > she’s > >probably used to it. > > > >Something tells me if she was a dude she’d be 86’d by now (or at least > >severely warned). > > > > > > > >On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:28 AM Fred Heutte <ph...@sunlightdata.com> > wrote: > > > >> I'm also basically a lurker these days but a list member since 1994. > Also > >> had the great fortune to meet Lakuti along with Earl Gateshead and the > >> Flying/Plastic People crew in London 20 years ago -- and saw her play > >> at the Detroit Artist Test Lab during the festival last year. (damn, > that > >> was > >> a Throw Down!) She has listings on RA (so many!). > >> > >> https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/lakuti/dates?yr=2020 > >> > >> She has been a friend to so many, built so much along the way, opened > >> doors and kept them open. I hope my good friend decides to stay on > >> 313, but either way I honor the decision. > >> > >> So here is what I have to say: this raises core questions about the > >> ongoing purpose of this list. If we can't respect each other, why > >> should any of us continue to subscribe? > >> > >> The 313 list has been a valued and even inspirational resource for me > >> for a quarter century. It has persisted long after most of the other > >> mid-1990s > >> mailing lists have faded away. It has enabled lifetime friendships. > >> > >> Interaction online exposes different viewpoints and that's actually > >> beneficial -- as long as we truly demonstrate respect for each other. > >> Without that, there is no reason to continue. > >> > >> peace > >> > >> fh > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----------------- > >> >crikey . classic example of how not to built community . > >> >i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a > >> lot > >> >into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists . > >> >and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global > music > >> >network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not > get a > >> >look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on > >> >being tone deaf . > >> >my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs . > >> >keep supporting music not egos . > >> >i am out of here . > >> > > >> >On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond < > denisedalph...@gmail.com> > >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my > communication. > >> I’ll > >> >> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be > quiet. > >> I’m > >> >> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s > all on my > >> >> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit > and > >> >> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. > >> It’s a > >> >> pretty big series. > >> >> > >> >> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM > list. > >> It’s > >> >> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I > >> speak > >> >> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the > woman. > >> Often, > >> >> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on > >> this > >> >> list. > >> >> > >> >> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to > contribute. > >> >> > >> >> Denise Dalphond > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Very well said. What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just > empty > >> >>> “admissions of guilt†> >> >>> > >> >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi < > >> >>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group > for > >> a > >> >>>> long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a > >> comment .. > >> >>>> i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back . > >> >>>> i do find though that your approach denise can be very > >> confrontational > >> >>>> and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the > list is > >> >>>> dormant bar the denise show . > >> >>>> i am personally not gaining a lot from the list compared to former > >> >>>> times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy > from > >> these > >> >>>> occasional outbursts . > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond < > >> denisedalph...@gmail.com> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. > So maybe > >> it’s > >> >>>>> just your family. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I > >> had a > >> >>>>> boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never > been > >> wishin I > >> >>>>> was Black because then you have to suffer racism. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and > >> other > >> >>>>> NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used > to go > >> >>>>> raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like > Twilo, I > >> forgot > >> >>>>> about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby > powder > >> for > >> >>>>> the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, > >> or my > >> >>>>> Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, > like > >> >>>>> Konkrete Jungle. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Denise Dalphond > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams < > >> chaircrus...@gmail.com> > >> >>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately > not > >> >>>>>> that great for the list. Every time there's a big emotional > >> flare-up on > >> >>>>>> 313 people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of > the > >> family. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if > they > >> >>>>>> were more opinionated about music and less about each other. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond < > >> >>>>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s > because he > >> never > >> >>>>>>> yelled at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages > >> from > >> >>>>>>> Dan Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Denise, the woman > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi < > jmaro...@gmail.com> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> That’s fine but why can’t folks tell > “certain peopleâ > € to > >> chill the f > >> >>>>>>>> out? > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or > wishes she was > >> >>>>>>>> black? > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams < > >> >>>>>>>> chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been > moribund > >> >>>>>>>>> lately and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit > than > >> inside; > >> >>>>>>>>> the flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. > And > >> even > >> >>>>>>>>> typing "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird. > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- > I'm > >> not > >> >>>>>>>>> close enough to any of the principles in that fight to know > >> what's up. I'd > >> >>>>>>>>> rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been > >> 30 years > >> >>>>>>>>> since Derrick May's really been musically relevant. > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing > great > >> >>>>>>>>> things now, and I think we've all been remiss to not amplify > >> those > >> >>>>>>>>> musicians. There are vital new voices like Ash Lauryn, who > >> deserve more > >> >>>>>>>>> attention: > >> >>>>>>>>> https://undergroundandblack.com/ > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal > >> issues > >> >>>>>>>>> that have spilled onto the list. I don't want to say that's > not > >> >>>>>>>>> appropriate content, but it should be in the context that > we're > >> a group of > >> >>>>>>>>> friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in > >> common.. So keep > >> >>>>>>>>> in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect > >> even if you > >> >>>>>>>>> disagree with them. > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> -- > >> >>>>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > >> >>>>>>> ethnomusicologist > >> >>>>>>> schoolcraftwax.work > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> -- > >> >>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > >> >>>>> ethnomusicologist > >> >>>>> schoolcraftwax.work > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Lerato Khathi > >> >>>> http://uzurirecordings.com > >> >>>> http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com > >> >>>> http://soundcloud.com/uzuri > >> >>>> Skype : Lakuti > >> >>>> > >> >>> -- > >> >> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > >> >> ethnomusicologist > >> >> schoolcraftwax.work > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> >-- > >> > > >> >Lerato Khathi > >> >http://uzurirecordings.com > >> >http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com > >> >http://soundcloud.com/uzuri > >> >Skype : Lakuti > >> > > >> > >> > > > >
