David,

Actually electronic music industry trade organizations like AFEM
<https://www.associationforelectronicmusic.org/initiatives/> are tackling
issues like diversity and inclusivity from the inside, but from my
experience issues like this are a tough slog to get festival organizers,
promoters, and even hiring managers at labels, distributor, and other
industry employers to truly commit to bring on BIPOC, LGBTQIA+ and women
artists and executive / staff roles.  It's very much a white, largely
straight old boys network.

I acknowledge that these are for-profit businesses who have shareholders,
investors, and sponsors to answer to, but it's got to start *somewhere.*

Peter

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:10 AM David A. Powers <cybo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Those are good points, I don't really have much perspective on what the
> broader American scene is, having lived in Kalamazoo/Detroit/Chicago over
> the years, the majority of events that I have attended do feature a lot of
> black DJ's, and the three headliners I personally booked as a promoter were
> Omar-S, DJ Qu, and Rick Wade, so as far as that I'm trying to be part of
> the solution. If I ever throw a party in Austin TX before I move, and have
> cash for a headliner, I'm gonna bring in someone I know from Detroit, like
> Mike Clark, Alton Miller, or Norm Talley.
> But as someone committed to growing the techno ecosystem and trying to
> create more opportunities for musicians and artists, and making sure a
> diverse range of people are included, I actually think that this topic is
> worth exploring.
> Techno is a DIY scene and that means any of us have the power to
> participate and at least attempt to implement that vision, and so it's
> worth having serious good faith discussions about the best ways to do that,
> because it's not just a topdown corporate thing, and the choices I and
> others make can potentially make real differences in small ways to the
> trajectory of where things are going, whereas the question of who gets
> featured in industry publications, or gets the best gigs is a realm that is
> totally outside my control.
> If I have the cash, though, I can throw an event, so in that sense looking
> at questions of audience diversity is not just a theoretical question. I
> could potentially do a good job or a shitty job with that depending on my
> vision and choices, so I think it's worth reflecting on. If I did it here I
> would definitely partner with some nonwhite friends to collaborate on
> the event so that it wouldn't just be one white guy's personal vision. I
> DEFINITELY would not want to go to a party full of people just like
> me---ugh!!! ;-0
> Of course, individuals cannot fix systemic problems by making personally
> virtuous choices. On the diversity in hiring as it pertains to nonwhite
> DJ's, ultimately, I believe that DJ's themselves need to organize and solve
> the problem together, collectively. Call me crazy, but I think there should
> be a "techno trade union" that engages in collective bargaining to ensure
> more fair outcomes for all everyone involved. I think it should be racially
> integrated, but work to clearly and systemically address industry racism
> and when necessary should privilege nonwhite artists, in ways that
> ultimately lead to better outcomes for everyone. (ALSO--while I'm at it:
> the existing US musician's union should actually help working musicians, so
> that skilled musicians have enough work and the average musician income is
> more than $20,000 a year.)
>
> ~David
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 10:22 AM kent williams <chaircrus...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The thing about solving problems is that you do what you can do.
>> Projects like House of Altr do what they can: showcase and promote black
>> artists.
>>
>> Techno - and the wider world of dance music - originates in the music of
>> Black americans. What black audiences listen to is a separate matter.  They
>> may be more likely to connect with techno if they see people that look like
>> them up on stage.
>>
>> Labels and promoters CAN address the problem black erasure in dance
>> music.  It's more an issue in Europe than the US, since in the US dance
>> music is less of a commercial phenomenon, but even here, white artists
>> crowd out Black music.
>>
>> You are right that when DEMF was free, it re-introduced techno to Black
>> Detroiters.  I think Paxahau is doing a decent job, but the fact that the
>> festival is now an expensive ticket excludes a large audience who are
>> economically distressed.  With the $200+ ticket price for the weekend, it's
>> absurd to think that the festival is even for the Black citizens of Detroit
>> any more.
>>
>> And not to put too fine a point on it, the subscribers to this list are
>> overwhelming middle class white people.  At this point this is not a place
>> to go to get a Black perspective on anything. Is this list still worthwhile
>> and relevant?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 10:00 AM David A. Powers <cybo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Still, the idea that you can fix the problem of diversity on the
>>> producer/performer side, without increasing the diversity of the audience
>>> itself, seems super sketchy to me.
>>>
>>

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