and that my friends is why i love the sounds of minimal techno so much. very nice topic (explained a lot of things i previously didn't understand) ...
thanks =) danny ----- Original Message ----- From: "darw_n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>; "darw_n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [313] Tone Shfting > OK, > > Toneshifting is indeed like a wandering mind, but much better, and it is > *not* an actual audio-wave process (unfortunately, the name suggests actual > physics are involved, this is not so. The name caught on quicker than I > anticipated however, so I'm not changing it). The shifting tones or melody > one seems to hear during ultra-repetition (or with information/definition > empty art, such as with black and white movies, more on that in a second) is > within ones head... > > This is like the experiment in psychology where they looked up someone in an > all black room except one pin of light. After awhile, the pin of light > began moving, up to 2 feet with some subjects (notably, they were the more > introverted subjects;). The light of course wasn't really moving, but the > viewer projected motion onto the light, especially when there was so little > information to interpret... > > Why is that so important today? Because it makes the listener one of the > *key* creators. We now live in a world where entertainment and mental > laziness are king, people dished out every single bit of information we > need, to the point where emotional outletting and creation are at times, > severely hampered. But with toneshifting, the listener is almost completely > returned his/her creative autonomy and liberated (with the exception of > force and intensity, controlled by the artist). The art is no longer the a > stand alone piece or message of the artist, trying to be interpreted and > understood by the listener/viewer (like in a classical museum). Instead, > the listener adds, or better yet, projects and defines, his or her own > emotions onto the piece- the piece is now the audience's piece, unique and > personal to each person in the audience... > > So in essence, the piece is both totally interactive between the person > playing the repetitious beats, and the listener; allowing each person hear > what *they want to hear*, and not what the artist is trying to tell you to > hear. This is why one person will cry while the person next to them will > laugh and another will be pissed. The art is in the control of the > listener; the tones shift. Because of that, it is the deeply personal > experiences and emotions of the listener that count, not the artists... > > With music, I personally feel that either richie hawtin or adam beyer are > very good examples of this. I remember one well known techno recording > artist told me, flat out, that "richie had no soul [when dealing with his > DJing]", and indeed, I've heard that from many. And I'll say that this is > true, or at least during his DJ sets. I will then further this by saying > that this is the point of his DJing, and this is exactly why people consider > him a god (aside from his unparalleled skills). The fact that richie has > limited the expression, perhaps intentionally, of his soul to just > ultra-minimal levels of either intensity, or calm, and nothing more, and > that this has given the listener almost *full control of the emotional > definition of the music*. Because of the toneshift, the listener can now > project *anything* he or she wants *onto* the structured repetition that > richie has doled out. The so often heard of is the "near religious > experience" of listening to richie because the listener is allowed several > hours of near total emotional liberation. This is very powerful, > *especially* to the non-artist. How often in life does one (especially a > non-artist) get to create and feel whatever they want, and do so with such > intensity? It is rare, but when it does happen, as often with richie, it is > nearly life changing. Not because richie commanded you to hear his message, > or his feelings, but because you, for a few hours, *felt your own vibe, your > own emotions*. You're the creator, and artistic creation is very > spiritually cleansing (this theory flows into explaining raves to a degree, > and it's emotionally based substances, but I'll spare you that for now;)... > > The more defined the message, the less one can toneshift it. Listening to > oakenfold is like being a robot; he is using records to tell you exactly > what to feel and when. This may be the reason why he, and ridiculous trance > is hated by the techno community (aside from the fact that his skills are > about nil), he, or other trance super-stars play, and it's like he's > screaming at us his commands, not very liberating now is that? > > I brought up movies, and I'll keep this brief. Ever watch Schindler's List? > If you did, you know that if it were color, it would be ruined, destroyed, > and indeed, no longer realistic. Why? Because if it was color, it would be > the director telling us exactly how he sees it, his interpretation of what > reality looks like. Now, we all know that our visual interpretation of > reality varies. So with Black and white film, we, the viewer, are allowed > to project onto the film whatever interpretation of visual reality we want. > Because there is little color info, our mind adds it, and because our mind > is adding it, the film becomes *very* real, and very personal - you visual > shift it, the film becomes partly your piece as much as it is the director > (Spielberg in this case). And with that movie, that is crucial for you to > truly feel for the situation presented, in order to truly understand, you > need to be intimately involved... > > darw_n > > "create, demonstrate, toneshift..." > > search for "djdarwin" on napster > www.sphereproductions.com > www.mannequinodd.com > www.mp3.com/darw_n > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: [313] Tone Shfting > > > > In a message dated 1/8/01 10:36:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << i know there was a major thread about tone shifting not that long ago but > could anyone please recommend some sites about this form of production so i > can do some research on it thanks alot! >> > > I don't think that you'll find it anywhere because "tone shifting" was a > term > created by the author of the post. > > As described in the post, it's really closer to "mind wandering" while > listening to music. To me, it's something like an aural Rorschach test > or > "what shapes do you see in the clowds?". Maybe the mind wanders and will > fix on an inner voice or on some overtone, but this an individual experience > unlike psychoacoustical effects such as the "doppler effect". > > mediadrome > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
