and that my friends is why i love the sounds of minimal techno so much.
very nice topic (explained a lot of things i previously didn't understand)
...

thanks =)

danny


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Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [313] Tone Shfting


> OK,
>
> Toneshifting is indeed like a wandering mind, but much better, and it is
> *not* an actual audio-wave process (unfortunately, the name suggests
actual
> physics are involved, this is not so.  The name caught on quicker than I
> anticipated however, so I'm not changing it).  The shifting tones or
melody
> one seems to hear during ultra-repetition (or with information/definition
> empty art, such as with black and white movies, more on that in a second)
is
> within ones head...
>
> This is like the experiment in psychology where they looked up someone in
an
> all black room except one pin of light.  After awhile, the pin of light
> began moving, up to 2 feet with some subjects (notably, they were the more
> introverted subjects;).  The light of course wasn't really moving, but the
> viewer projected motion onto the light, especially when there was so
little
> information to interpret...
>
> Why is that so important today?  Because it makes the listener one of the
> *key* creators.  We now live in a world where entertainment and mental
> laziness are king, people dished out every single bit of information we
> need, to the point where emotional outletting and creation are at times,
> severely hampered.  But with toneshifting, the listener is almost
completely
> returned his/her creative autonomy and liberated (with the exception of
> force and intensity, controlled by the artist).  The art is no longer the
a
> stand alone piece or message of the artist, trying to be interpreted and
> understood by the listener/viewer (like in a classical museum).  Instead,
> the listener adds, or better yet, projects and defines, his or her own
> emotions onto the piece- the piece is now the audience's piece, unique and
> personal to each person in the audience...
>
> So in essence, the piece is both totally interactive between the person
> playing the repetitious beats, and the listener; allowing each person hear
> what *they want to hear*, and not what the artist is trying to tell you to
> hear.   This is why one person will cry while the person next to them will
> laugh and another will be pissed.  The art is in the control of the
> listener; the tones shift.  Because of that, it is the deeply personal
> experiences and emotions of the listener that count, not the artists...
>
> With music, I personally feel that either richie hawtin or adam beyer are
> very good examples of this.  I remember one well known techno recording
> artist told me, flat out, that "richie had no soul [when dealing with his
> DJing]", and indeed, I've heard that from many.  And I'll say that this is
> true, or at least during his DJ sets.  I will then further this by saying
> that this is the point of his DJing, and this is exactly why people
consider
> him a god (aside from his unparalleled skills).  The fact that richie has
> limited the expression, perhaps intentionally, of his soul to just
> ultra-minimal levels of either intensity, or calm, and nothing more, and
> that this has given the listener almost *full control of the emotional
> definition of the music*.  Because of the toneshift, the listener can now
> project *anything* he or she wants *onto* the structured repetition that
> richie has doled out.  The so often heard of is the "near religious
> experience" of listening to richie because the listener is allowed several
> hours of near total emotional liberation.  This is very powerful,
> *especially* to the non-artist.  How often in life does one (especially a
> non-artist) get to create and feel whatever they want, and do so with such
> intensity?  It is rare, but when it does happen, as often with richie, it
is
> nearly life changing.  Not because richie commanded you to hear his
message,
> or his feelings, but because you, for a few hours, *felt your own vibe,
your
> own emotions*.  You're the creator, and artistic creation is very
> spiritually cleansing (this theory flows into explaining raves to a
degree,
> and it's emotionally based substances, but I'll spare you that for
now;)...
>
> The more defined the message, the less one can toneshift it.  Listening to
> oakenfold is like being a robot; he is using records to tell you exactly
> what to feel and when.  This may be the reason why he, and ridiculous
trance
> is hated by the techno community (aside from the fact that his skills are
> about nil), he, or other trance super-stars play, and it's like he's
> screaming at us his commands, not very liberating now is that?
>
> I brought up movies, and I'll keep this brief.  Ever watch Schindler's
List?
> If you did, you know that if it were color, it would be ruined, destroyed,
> and indeed, no longer realistic.  Why?  Because if it was color, it would
be
> the director telling us exactly how he sees it, his interpretation of what
> reality looks like.  Now, we all know that our visual interpretation of
> reality varies.  So with Black and white film, we, the viewer, are allowed
> to project onto the film whatever interpretation of visual reality we
want.
> Because there is little color info, our mind adds it, and because our mind
> is adding it, the film becomes *very* real, and very personal - you visual
> shift it, the film becomes partly your piece as much as it is the director
> (Spielberg in this case).  And with that movie, that is crucial for you to
> truly feel for the situation presented, in order to truly understand, you
> need to be intimately involved...
>
> darw_n
>
> "create, demonstrate, toneshift..."
>
> search for "djdarwin" on napster
> www.sphereproductions.com
> www.mannequinodd.com
> www.mp3.com/darw_n
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [313] Tone Shfting
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/8/01 10:36:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << i know there was a major thread about tone shifting not that long ago
but
> could anyone please recommend some sites about this form of production so
i
> can do some research on it thanks alot! >>
>
> I don't think that you'll find it anywhere because "tone shifting" was a
> term
> created by the author of the post.
>
> As described in the post, it's really closer to "mind wandering" while
> listening to music.    To me, it's  something like an aural Rorschach test
> or
> "what shapes do you see in the clowds?".     Maybe the mind wanders and
will
> fix on an inner voice or on some overtone, but this an individual
experience
> unlike  psychoacoustical effects such as  the "doppler effect".
>
> mediadrome
>
>
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