Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers

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Cool,

That goes a long way to answering!
I've not seen that before, it's difficult for people on other sides of the
world to relate to other peoples shit I guess.......




"Jongsma, K.J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 31/01/2002 16:03:34
To:   Alex Bond/UK/INF/PwC, 313@hyperreal.org
cc:


Subject:  RE: [313] UR soldiers



> Memo from Alex Bond:
>
> Going back to those questions;
>
> 'Why do UR call themselves soldiers?'
>
> Don't know, Is it part of a marketing ploy?
> I always thought they trod a fine-line between truths and
> stories which
> help their image.
>
> What do other people think??

I dunno what other people think, but a few years ago Mad Mike posted this
message on 313 answering your question:

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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 03:29:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Somewhere In Detroit
Subject: Re: (313) DJs That History Forgot 1

On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Somewhere In Detroit wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, rbcIII the lovebot wrote:
> > On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Robert Smith wrote:
> >
> > > From what I know of Mad Mike, they don't want to be.  More
friendships
> > > are made and more battles are won in the underground rather than on
the
> > > surface.  More substance, less flash.
> >
> > Well, I take the militant underground stance of the UR crew with a
grain

> > of salt.  They often dis +8 an others for licensing to big labels
but...
> >
> > 1) Tresor and Tresor II (NovaMute) have UR tracks on them.  This is the
> > same label which licenses Probe and Plastikman and FUSE...
> >
> > 2) Drexciya on WARP
> >
> > 3) Drexciya on Rephlex
> >
> > 4) UR on New Electronica compilations.
> >
> > Many more examples can be found I'm sure.  I don't think WARP, Mute
> > records and New Electronica are any better than R&S.  They pimp just
like
> > Renaat!
> >
> > So this "anti white techno" stance is not very solid IMO.  I don't mind
> > though.  I happen to think the Tresor and Tresor II comps the best
> > NovaMute put out.  I think Drexciya deserves the exposure they get on
> > labels like Warp and Rephlex.  I love all of the releases that New
> > Electronica has put out (esp. the new Reflections On Reflections) and
> > think UR are a great compliment to the other srtists featured.
> >
> > I take the UR, Mad Mike, and Drexciya public statements as part of
their

> > "act".  Much like the facade of some Metal bands who act like devil
> > worshippers.  It's all entertainment and good at that.  I just happen
to

> > think the whole "at war with the commercial forces" theme a pretty cool
> > one.
> >
> > -robert
> >
> > -->       __    _  _  _____  _____  _____
> >          / _\  | || ||  _  \|_   _|/  _  \
> >         / /_\\ | -- || |_) | _| |_ | (_) |    ______________
> >        /______\\____/|_____/|_____|\_____/   ( *electronic* )
> >
>  Attn;Lovebot
>             I dont get out in cyberspace very often so please forgive my
>             net etiquette or any words I may mispell,I do very much app-
>             reciate Robert Smith"s passionate defense of UR,but I am a
>             fighter and in this instance I will come out of the shadows
>             in defense of my Label and what it stands for!First regarding
>             Drexciya - It hurts me just as much as anyone else who loves
>             true Underground music from the source to see a group that
>             UR as a Label helped lift from the streets into international
>             underground acclaim.Dont forget these projects on UR were not
>             Drexciyas first outings,their first outings on their own
label
>             did not farewell at all.You guys cannot imagine the type of
>             time and energy both financially and studiowise that goes
into
>             making 4 trak material good enough to make a record out of.
>             Matter of fact most people cant make 4 trak projects into
>             good sounding records,but at UR thats what we did because
>             I heard something in those traks - I heard some brothers
>             who were using their imaginations to the max,I heard kids
>             who were pure at heart and knew nothing of the international
>             complexities of this music,I heard dreams.It is very,very
>             difficult to descibe what it feels like to lose talented
>             people the caliber of Jeff Mills,Robert Hood or Drexciya
>             not to lose them due to arguments or disagreements,but to
>             lose them due to the environment here in Detroit.It is a
>             very difficult place to stay in especially if you have been
>             abroad or know others that have been.After returning some
>             people are never the same! Jeff Mills was a world class DJ
>             a talent the world now enjoys.He had nowhere to play here in
>             Detroit we would watch as DJ after DJ would come play Detroit
>             and for all the hype could not rock the D,basically they
>             could not hold a candle next to Jeff Mills.Jeff is xtremly
>             competetive so he really wanted to get out there and kik ass
>             So when his chance came in 1992 at the Limelite club in N.Y
>             he took it! HE knew and I knew that he would never come back!
>             I never call Jeff a sellout cause he aint,the brother just
did
>             what he had to do because that was his chance to share his
gift
>             with all of you in peace.Rob Noise went with Jeff due to a
life
>             threating incident he had on 7 mile and we all agreed that
Rob
>             needed to get away and see the world to see another side of
>             life.You see techno for us is life-these brothers would never
>             have had the chance to see the world and meet people of all
>             different racial groups and idealogies if it wasnt for this
>             music period unless of course they did their 2 year stint in
>             the military! When Drexciyas James S. made his statements
about
>             the caucasion persausion and plus-8 they were made out of
>             frustration,made out of living in a city ringed by 8 mile
road
>             a street most minorities dont cross into at nite,bordered by
>             Dearborn MI. a suburb that didnt want detroit residents
playing
>             basketball in its parks! Please understand there are 4 ways
to
>             Escape these boundaries 1.go to prison 2.join the army
3.leave
>             and move somewhere else if you can afford it! 4.substance
abuse
>             Thats the fucking way it is partner!So when guys from the
city
>             see young affluent white teenagers from the suburbs running
>             around the city and not working particularily hard on
inviting
>             brothers to their sets yes it is gonna cause tension! ITs
>             called cultural differences.I cannot tell you how many times
>             me and my crew were denied entrance to a party because there
>             where to many Black and mexican scary guys or gang members
>             at the door!! And thes kidz were supposed to be progressive!
>             Unfortunately 1 OF the guys from Drexciya was with us that
>             nite and it was a nite he never forgot. Let me tell you
>             prejudice hurts especially when its associated with the music
>             you love and the city you were raised in.It is for this
reason
>             UR is in this war with the programmers - those kidz were
>             by the sight of 20 heavily muscled brothers who yes some were
>             gang members some x-members and now musicians,they were in-
>             timidated because the programmers taught them that all
brothers
>             that didnt have on silver shoes and didnt smile or laugh at
>             bullshit jokes and small talk were probably criminals ask
>             Mumia,Rodney King or Malice Green who effects programming
>             has on people.I am a very serious brother nothing that I do
>             or have done with UR is funny or entertaining,I am not a
clown
>             and I will never tap dance on cue - I have never been pimped
>             and neither has my company,the moves and strategies that I
>             use are for one thing and one thing only - and that is to
guar
>             tee that the programmers agendas and stereo-types do not
>             proceed into the next century!! Because it is these same
>             agendas and prejudices that nearly extreminated my mothers
>             peoples(blackfoot indians) and forcibly inslaved my fathers
>             Peoples for 400 years - so believe me when I tell you UR
>             some DEADLY serious shit!!!! there is very little for me
>             to smile and be happy about with the condition my people,
>             my city,my EARTH - MOTHER EARTH is in.All I can hope is that
>             music from our label can without words or explanations
>             knock down all the barriers (racial,economic,religous,etc)
>             that the programmers have cleverly set before us in order
>             to keep us from understanding that catergories and
definitions
>             separate and with separation comes exploitation and profit!
>             I hope you can feel what I am saying    -    as I stated
>             earlier I am not very good on the net and I tried to xplain
>             as efficiently as possible what me and my label stand for
>             so that there would be no misinterpetations or people
>             putting words in my mouth.I am 33 years old and fully
>             capable of speaking for myself but I choose to use music
>             because men have been talking for years but always with
>             FORKTONGUE music is true and ultimately much more efficient
>             than all writtien language to this date - tribal people
>             have known this for thousands of years.WE are all tribal
>             people but some of us have strayed away from the talk of
>             the drum and they talk with words and languages that mean
>             nothing!THE DRUM IS ALWAYS BETTER -
>
>
>             please forgive the length of my response and thank you for
>             this very unique forum of communication (consiousness) lets
>             leave the racial issues out of this forum and out of the
>             next century and most of all out of tekno music as it knows
>             no boundaries not even logic  - peace MAD MIKE UR
>
>             Back into the darkness I go do not try to find me>
>
>             ps-lovebot if you ever come to detroit please feel free
>             to look me up and I will show you what I am fighting
>             against maybe then you would understand UR a little
>             better.Its the type of organization that we love you
>             but if you leave - dont come back,its that deep brother
>             Also just to set the record straight me,ritchy,john,
>             dan bell and Mike Himes all get along just fine ask
>             em if you need too!IN the future never ever take words
>             or statements that others have said and equate them to
>             me!feel free to fax me and i will get back to you
>             when time allows fax no.313.963.1025
>
>             peace and stay low,stay strong    - out MAD MIKE

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