one of the books you might be referring to is Stalking Detroit - a great book. it explores ideas around the 20th Century city, using detroit as its prime example - a city conceived to serve capitalism but constrained by this very definition. lots of very interesting and digestable facts about detroit to challenge those that still question race as a key issue in the city and, thus, the music. the future that was envisiged cannot be 'retro', as pointed out; it still alludes us. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 04 May 2002 23:02 Subject: Re: [313] back to the future
I don't think that Detroit Techno (I'm not sure how to do that little registered mark so this will have to do) has been surpassed by "the future". I do believe that it is still of and for the future considering that so many people have yet to hear Detroit Techno (of which there are many sounds). Take UR's new "Inspired" EP. I played a sample of it for a friend and he said, paraphrasing here, "That's like - totally new - I don't think I've ever heard anything like that before." Currently, I'm trying to hunt down releases on Plink Plonk - which as far as I'm concerned might as well been a Detroit label. There is so much music on that label that has never been made like that before and rarely is made like that now but for lots of people that I know - it would be hard for them to get their heads around it. Detroit Techno for me is what tech-house *used* to be - innovative and explorative. When I hear Mills' Apollo - I feel like I'm riding on a space probe. It puts me out there. >has the future envisioned by the original Detroit Techno® generation passed us by? Not sure - what exactly *is/was* this future? Are we talking about flying cars or equality? We have neither still so I'd say that no, it hasn't passed us by at all. Old Detroit style techno like Derrick May and Carl Craig used to make will still f*ck you up like no other. What is really cool is that I'm seeing more and more essays and books about the city of Detroit that describe it as the ultimate city of the 20th Century and still others who are writing about how Detroit, if allowed to grow in an organic manner, could have a rebirth like no other city in America. I'll find my sources and send them to you if you like. MEK sean deason <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .net> cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] back to the future 05/04/02 02:44 PM Please respond to seandeason that reminds me of the question I wanted to ask Jeff Mills at the Submerge/Metropolis showing (but unfortunately the Q&A period was dominated by some clown with a big mouth and small brain): is Detroit Techno® still music of and for the future or is it now considered "retro" to make Detroit style techno? has the future envisoned by the original Detroit Techno® generation passed us by? When people ask me what kind of music I'm making these days I tell them "old Detroit style techno like Derrick May and Carl Craig used to make." I think if the future has indeed passed us by, then it's time we went Back to the Future. Anyone feel the same way or is it just me? sean "old school g.e.d. receipient" deason glyph1001 wrote: > I would believe that alot of comic book/superhero fans are into Techno > or may have played a role in the creation of Techno music because of the > fantasy and romanticism of superheros and the pining for space travel > and anything to do with Futurism. So in that sense, I'm not surprised. > Actually I think its cool. :-) > > g. > > Mxyzptlk wrote: > > > At 09:21 AM 5/4/2002, you wrote: > > > > > >>> hmmmmmmmmm detroit relevance...let me think...if only the director > >>> were from > >>> Detroit or something..... > >> > > > > (to make matters worse/risking the ire of the 'purists', I would ask:) > > > > How many of you would 'fess up to being/have been comic book > > fanciers/collectors/followers? I ask because I have a feeling there's > > more overlap than some may anticipate; music geeks are geeks looking > > for an obsession (from personal experience anyway). I know when I was > > young I had hefty bags upon bags full of comix...early Marvel > > (Spiderman, Daredevil, FF, X-Men, Dr. Strange, Avengers, etc., etc) > > and D.C. I used to spend my weekly allowance on them. My guess is > > that many of you know the origin of my email "handle" from other > > sources than Saturday morning cartoons of yore. It's pretty amazing > > how many former comic book junkies populate email music lists. > > jeff > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 04 May 2002 23:02 Subject: Re: [313] back to the future I don't think that Detroit Techno (I'm not sure how to do that little registered mark so this will have to do) has been surpassed by "the future". I do believe that it is still of and for the future considering that so many people have yet to hear Detroit Techno (of which there are many sounds). Take UR's new "Inspired" EP. I played a sample of it for a friend and he said, paraphrasing here, "That's like - totally new - I don't think I've ever heard anything like that before." Currently, I'm trying to hunt down releases on Plink Plonk - which as far as I'm concerned might as well been a Detroit label. There is so much music on that label that has never been made like that before and rarely is made like that now but for lots of people that I know - it would be hard for them to get their heads around it. Detroit Techno for me is what tech-house *used* to be - innovative and explorative. When I hear Mills' Apollo - I feel like I'm riding on a space probe. It puts me out there. >has the future envisioned by the original Detroit Techno® generation passed us by? Not sure - what exactly *is/was* this future? Are we talking about flying cars or equality? We have neither still so I'd say that no, it hasn't passed us by at all. Old Detroit style techno like Derrick May and Carl Craig used to make will still f*ck you up like no other. What is really cool is that I'm seeing more and more essays and books about the city of Detroit that describe it as the ultimate city of the 20th Century and still others who are writing about how Detroit, if allowed to grow in an organic manner, could have a rebirth like no other city in America. I'll find my sources and send them to you if you like. MEK sean deason <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .net> cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] back to the future 05/04/02 02:44 PM Please respond to seandeason that reminds me of the question I wanted to ask Jeff Mills at the Submerge/Metropolis showing (but unfortunately the Q&A period was dominated by some clown with a big mouth and small brain): is Detroit Techno® still music of and for the future or is it now considered "retro" to make Detroit style techno? has the future envisoned by the original Detroit Techno® generation passed us by? When people ask me what kind of music I'm making these days I tell them "old Detroit style techno like Derrick May and Carl Craig used to make." I think if the future has indeed passed us by, then it's time we went Back to the Future. Anyone feel the same way or is it just me? sean "old school g.e.d. receipient" deason glyph1001 wrote: > I would believe that alot of comic book/superhero fans are into Techno > or may have played a role in the creation of Techno music because of the > fantasy and romanticism of superheros and the pining for space travel > and anything to do with Futurism. So in that sense, I'm not surprised. > Actually I think its cool. :-) > > g. > > Mxyzptlk wrote: > > > At 09:21 AM 5/4/2002, you wrote: > > > > > >>> hmmmmmmmmm detroit relevance...let me think...if only the director > >>> were from > >>> Detroit or something..... > >> > > > > (to make matters worse/risking the ire of the 'purists', I would ask:) > > > > How many of you would 'fess up to being/have been comic book > > fanciers/collectors/followers? I ask because I have a feeling there's > > more overlap than some may anticipate; music geeks are geeks looking > > for an obsession (from personal experience anyway). I know when I was > > young I had hefty bags upon bags full of comix...early Marvel > > (Spiderman, Daredevil, FF, X-Men, Dr. Strange, Avengers, etc., etc) > > and D.C. I used to spend my weekly allowance on them. My guess is > > that many of you know the origin of my email "handle" from other > > sources than Saturday morning cartoons of yore. It's pretty amazing > > how many former comic book junkies populate email music lists. > > jeff > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]