I'm one of the first people who jumped onto this thread. When I did, I changed my subject line to OT: Globalization [was: sumberge.panel].
In most of my posts on the subject, I have brought the thread back to Detroit and to Detroit music. I fail to see how this relatively novel thread - which I believe is very relevant to 313 music - is so horrific that it sends people off the list, but a few gibbering Hawtin fanboys tossing back and forth the same arguments we hear every three months is "on-topic" and oh so relevant. I have to delete entire threads on this list all of the time. I suggest people who find a thread offensive should do the same, and refrain from complaining about it. Complaints about list content are the most OT thread of all. Brian -----Original Message----- From: :P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:20 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] submerge.panel sorry David, BUT, from the very source you quote: "Do not repost private email to 313. Likewise do not reply in private email and 'CC' 313. This is both illegal (falling under the reproduction of an original copyrighted work without permission) and highly unethical." Im not nitpicking, but if you reference a text to prove your point, I'll tend to hold you to that text pretty firmly, at least initially. so yes, 313 is unmoderated, but IMO it should be since it wanders off topic enough for people to jump ship (Mike Taylor?) of course, we could argue semantics all day long. back to detroit techno back to my cage, -Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ":P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [313] submerge.panel > >From what I understand, this is a self moderated list. From the list > guidelines: > > http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/ > > Regarding Content and Community > > 313 content is not moderated and never will be, therefore we rely on 313 list > members to 'self-police' 313 using the mechanisms described above. After five > plus years 313 has become a community and should be thought of as such. Like > any community (Detroit included) 313 is only as strong as every member makes it. > > In that spirit we ask you respect the following principles: > > Spam is strictly prohibited, 313 list subscribers are not marketing > fodder. > List subscribers are people, treat them as such, disrespective and > disruptive > behavior will not be tolerated. > List members are here for a reason, keep your posts on topic, using > 313 as > chat room is not permitted. Please note placing 'OT', standing for > off-topic, > or 'NRR', standing for not really relevant, in the subject line in no > way > excuses you from adhering to this rule. > Do not attempt to steal another list subscribers email identity (and, > yes, > this has happened in past). > Do not repost private email to 313. Likewise do not reply to private > email > and 'CC' 313. This is both illegal (falling under the reproduction of > an original > copyrighted work without permission) and highly unethical. Arguments > belong in private email, not in email that is addressed to 313, check > your > 'To: ' and 'CC: ' email header fields carefully before sending out > email - it > may save you more embarassment than you thought possible. > Try not to swear. More and more corporate sites are using profanity > firewalls resulting in fellow 313 subscribers behind those firewalls > mis > > :P wrote: > > > this list desperately needs moderation > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:31 AM > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: [313] submerge.panel > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 06 June 2002 15:18 > > > > > > > > LKS> how would you measure this? > > > > > > > > BBP> Average life expectancy, infant mortality rates, literacy, et > > cetera. > > > > > > > > > > > > uhm...so do you believe the most country that is the most > > > > technologically advanced, the US, is sitting on top of these > > > > statistics because it's not > > > > > > Ah, but is the US the most technologically advanced country in the world > > > anyway? It probably isn't you know. It's a very diverse place and as you > > > say, inner city areas as well as remote rural backwaters aren't very > > > technologically advanced places. Countries like Finland, Norway or Japan > > are > > > arguably more technologically advanced all in all. But there aren't many > > > metrics for measuring the technological advancement of a particular > > nation, > > > in the same way as we use literacy, mortality rates, etc, to measure > > overall > > > standard of living. > > > > > > But ultimately I don't think it impacts on techno music all in all. What > > > stance should UR or Submerge take on this issue? Should the process of > > > globalisation be stopped, so that records can't be exported to the rest of > > > the world? Does techno music pose the dangerous risk of homogenising > > > European culture? 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