Right ... (he says, realization dawning) and 'Quadrant' was von Oswald, Craig and Ernesto?
Sorry to be the dork - but is it still available? Brendan, you're descriptions are spot. You obviously think abt your music a lot. As for me, I spend my time grasping for words to describe what I'd think (if I had the words) ;^) >-----Original Message----- >From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:56 AM >To: Odeluga, Ken; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? > > >I do think that the Basic Channel records were the definitive beginning of >the techno-dub hybrid, but I often find myself trying to think of earlier >tracks that combine that "stillness" (I know what you mean about >the English >vocabulary being insufficient to describe in detail the effects >that sort of >music has on the listener!) with the sort of spacial production in techno >that BC subsequently perfected. > >With that in mind, I'd definitely say Quadrant's "Infinition", which came >out (AFAIK) before the Basic Channel records but which sounds like a test >run for the BC sound, what with the use of delay and filters to >add a bit of >space to the main synth chords. But you could argue that the key concept >that initially defined dub-techno was that of "origin unknown" sounds, >sounds which you *couldn't* imagine or visualise coming from a particular >machine. I doubt I'm explaining myself very well, but if you listen to >"Infinition" you can practically see Carl and Moritz with a Kurzweil or >whatever, manipulating the VCF slider, while if you jump forward in time to >Radiance or Quadrant Dub you really can't picture the devices producing the >sounds at all. In that sense, I'd agree with you about the Lyot track even >though it doesn't have the "stillness"! > >Brendan > >| -----Original Message----- >| From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >| Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:20 AM >| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org >| Subject: RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? >| >| >| Brendan - sounds like you were thinking abt this before I asked! >| >| ... so no one thinks the early Basic Channel tracks were a definitive >| beginning of a dub/techno hybrid? >| >| For me, whilst something like 'Lyot's got the sea of reverb, it >| just hasn't >| got the 'stillness' (best word I can think of right now.) >| >| ... >| >| >-----Original Message----- >| >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >| >Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 9:43 AM >| >To: 313@hyperreal.org >| >Subject: RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? >| > >| > >| >Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers >| > >| >-------------------- Start of message text -------------------- >| > >| >Alright, I'll bite.... >| > >| >Dub - techno? Never heard of it, but it has to be Eddy Grant's >'Timewarp' >| >surely...? (1981) >| > >| > >| > >| > >| >"Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/10/2002 09:28:48 >| > >| >Please respond to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >| >To: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Phonopsia" >| > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >| > "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org" <313@hyperreal.org> >| >cc: >| > >| > >| >Subject: RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? >| > >| >Good question! I always view the starting point of that strand >| of music as >| >being Quadrant's "Infinition" on Planet E, but for reasons I would find >| >hard >| >to back up in an argument R-Tyme's "Illusion" often sounds like a >| >dub-techno >| >record to me. >| > >| >Why? Well, practically every early techno record was produced with no >| >noticable delay or reverb on any of the sounds - the music >| sounded as if it >| >was pressed directly on the surface of the vinyl. However the only early >| >techno track I can think of which does use delay and reverb to >| give a sense >| >of space between the listener and the sounds on the record is >"Illusion", >| >which uses the dub-techno method of focusing the listener's >| attention on a >| >simple chord sequence and then allowing the chords to drift off into the >| >ether. >| > >| >I can't think of any earlier record right now that uses the same "chord >| >drift" technique so R-Tyme's "Illusion" would be my pick... >| > >| >Brendan >| > >| >| -----Original Message----- >| >| From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >| >| Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:12 AM >| >| To: Phonopsia; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ca; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org >| >| Subject: RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever? >| >| >| >| >| >| OK, how abt a more specific question: What was the first 'Dub-techno' >| >| record? (Deliberately vague.) >| >| >| >| I'm *not* assuming Mortiz von Oswald was involved either! >| >| >| >| Ken >| >| >| >| Audax: >| >| >I completely agree on all of your points, and I wont post about it >| >| >again. Its something I will look into doing when I have time to >| >| >muck about. >| >| > >| >| >For something like this, you definately have to go to the sources. >| >| >| >| Tristan: >| >| >| >| >> I think we can safely say this is not the right list on which to >| >| >> undertakethis project. Perhaps you should set up your website with >| >| >> these questions, >| > >| > >| > >| > >| >--------------------- End of message text -------------------- >| > >| >This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is >| >addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has >| >misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to >| >this e-mail. 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