This is one of the reasons I dislike Pioneer mixers, especially on large systems. All the processing is done digitally, so if the DJ gets carried away and the master signal is at any more than one or two notches into the red you get wonderful digital distortion that no limiter in the world will prevent from hitting the mains. Mixers with analog guts like Vestax or A & H (I think - ???) are much more forgiving.
Or maybe I'm just saying in a roundabout way that when I get carried away I can't control my levels ;) - j ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: Re: (313) RE: A&H Xone 32 (was richie hawtin in Wired) > Doesn't matter if you turn the amps down, you'd still have a distorted > signal coming off the mixer if the gains were red-lining- but it's still > irritating as hell not to have gains easily accessible on the mixer to > balance the levels properly. Most clubs also have limiters to prevent crap > DJs blowing the rigs... essential unless you can be 100% sure the DJs know > what they are doing! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan Bean > To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:22 PM > Subject: Re: (313) RE: A&H Xone 32 (was richie hawtin in Wired) > > > Wouldn't it be easier to just turn the amps down? > > You wrote: > > My understanding is that they were placed on the rear for "protection" > > purposes. > > IE: If in a club (and rack mounted) then the venue could ensure that "Trim > > Happy" DJ's won't blow their rig. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 20 November 2003 12:04 > > To: Gary Robinson; Martin; Jason Brunton; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) > > Cc: 313 > > Subject: A&H Xone 32 (was richie hawtin in Wired) > > > > > > I'm not convinced - although what do I know, not being a dj? > > > > No readily accessible trims means you can't really use volume as an effect > > as much as you might. > > > > Also, as for myself, when I do play, I tend to play quite a bit of old > > records - I mean over ten years old - which are often 'quiet' pressings > for > > any number of reasons. > > > > Reaching back to the gains to turn a channel up and then hurriedly going > > back there to turn it down again for the next record will get irritating, > > and knowing me, I'll probably forget sometimes ... > > > > k > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Gary Robinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:22 AM > > >To: Martin; Jason Brunton; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) > > >Cc: 313 > > >Subject: Re: (313) richie hawtin in wired magazine > > > > > > > > >All down to space on the front panel, you can set the gain while you're > > >cueing up and shouldn't need to tweak it, whereas the EQs, sends, filter > > >etc. all need to be closer to hand while in the mix. Before I got a Xone > 32 > > >I thought it was a stupid place to have the gains, but after a > > >week or so of > > >getting used to it I've never given it another thought. It's just a great > > >sounding well built piece of kit. > > > > > >Gary > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "Jason Brunton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)" > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> > > >Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:27 AM > > >Subject: Re: (313) richie hawtin in wired magazine > > > > > > > > >> Why are the gains on the back tho" > > >> > > >> > > >> 20/11/03 10:29 AM Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> > I'll back that one up- the A+H mixers are the only DJ mixers I've > ever > > >> > used where you can actually BOOST frequencies with the EQ and it > > >> > doesn't sound harsh- they have anew mixer out new month with a big > > >> > launch party at Cargo in London- I'll let you all know what its like > > >> > once I've seen it. > > >> > > > >> > cheers > > >> > > > >> > Jason Brunton > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 10:05 AM, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> The A&H mixer has awesome sound quality, and comprises of top end > > >> >> compenents > > >> >> throughout. > > >> >> The EQ is 4 way too, and from my own experience, allows much > > >> >> creativity in > > >> >> the mix, not to mention tighter control of the sound. > > >> >> The facilities (ranging from Aux Send/Return, Filters etc) > > >are also top > > >> >> notch. > > >> >> In short- I have never used anything better. > > >> >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >> Sent: 19 November 2003 9:49 > > >> >> To: m a t t [d] > > >> >> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > > >> >> Subject: Re: (313) richie hawtin in wired magazine > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, m a t t [d] wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >>> http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/ > > >> >>> 0,1412,61273,00.html?tw=wn_story_top5 > > >> >>> > > >> >>> interesting about his modified allen and heath mixer > > >> >>> > > >> >>> sorry if this has been posted before... > > >> >>> > > >> >>> matt :) > > >> >> > > >> >> a couple of comments: > > >> >> > > >> >> 1. i didn't think itunes had dance music from independent > labels.... > > >> >> > > >> >> 2. people talk about how hawtin (and others) simply play the same > set > > >> >> over and over again, or at least variations of that set. it isn't > > >> >> hard to > > >> >> understand why this dynamic occurs given his travel > > >itinerary. doesn't > > >> >> mean it is RIGHT...but it IS understandable. > > >> >> > > >> >> 3. i'm not familiar with the allen and heath mixer. what > > >does he gain > > >> >> from modifying IT as opposed to a standard say, GEMINI? 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