one think I dig is to throw on a bunch of mindless looping techno like drumcode and mix one record half a bar offbeat with the bass dropped out. that stuff loops so much that you can really line it up however you want, as long as its on step and tempo matched right. probably something you all know, but I think a lot of mills mixing utilizes the same technique
-Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:46 PM Subject: RE: (313) how do you mix > thanks for the input so far guys... nb im not really a beginner to mixing, > been doing it for many years but only really mixed jungle seriously... the > 'house' thing is new to me :) > > ab > > -----Original Message----- > From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 2:06 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) how do you mix > > > > agreed, in a similar vein learning to read the grooves on the > vinyl(helped by knowing general structure/feel of tunes) will help in > that area immensely too. > > breakdowns look different to areas with more of a full bandwidth of > audio for example... > > to people who already do this (probs most people that have mixing for a > while), this seems blindingly obvious. when i explain that to most > beginners tho you should see their faces light up :) > > robin... > > > -> very very true Andrew....knowing your records inside out > -> will help you > -> click much easier than before.. > -> > -> -----Original Message----- > -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -> Sent: Thu 08/01/2004 15:26 > -> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > -> Subject: (313) how do you mix > -> > -> > -> > -> On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:12:54 +1030, > -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -> > -> > ok so i am curious to know how you all mix, im not > -> into > -> > tricks and things i > -> > just want a nice smooth mix without endless > -> > beatmatching (get on with the > -> > tunes i say!) > -> > > -> > generally when i mix house i tend to bring the next > -> > tune in with the bass > -> > turned 3/4 of the way down and gradually bring it up > -> as > -> > i bring the outgoing > -> > tune's bass down then i wind down the volume until it > -> > is faded out. or ill > -> > bring a tune in with the bass almost off then at the > -> > appropriate time ill > -> > swap the bassline into the new tune (if that makes > -> > sense) > -> > > -> > anyway its getting a bit 'samey' and im looking for > -> > some tips > -> > -> hi, alex; from my experience i've found what is best > -> regardless is to know your tunes inside out structure > -> wise and use this to your advantage. know which songs > -> have beatless or acapella intros, which have these > -> sorts of breaks, which have these sorts of extros. > -> which songs fade in, which songs fade out; which sounds > -> kick right in with a beat, which soungs end with a > -> beat. which songs end cold (ie no fade out) and which > -> fade. then, when you're mixing, instead of thinking in > -> terms of tempo and beatmaching, just think in terms of > -> "stitching together" a fabric of songs into a whole. > -> example; > -> song 1: starts right off with a beat and has no > -> breakdowns that are beatless or acapella and it ends > -> cold. > -> song 2: has an acapella intro and then the beat kicks > -> in. it fades. > -> > -> mixing this way you have a variety of options. you > -> could let song 1 play and the second it ends (because > -> it ends cold), you could start song 2. you could lay > -> the acapella from song 2 over song 1 in bits (ie not > -> all at once; "tease" it in) and then switch over > -> completely to song 2 (on beat, of course :)) at a time > -> that feels right. > -> > -> when you've got songs with beatless intros and/or > -> breaks and/or extros, it becomes even easier because > -> you can lay the beatless intro from song 2 over the > -> beat of song 1, or start the beat from song 2 during > -> the beatless break or extro of song 1, etc. > -> > -> as you get more confident with this style and know your > -> songs even better, your stiching will be even tighter > -> and you'll have times when even you don't know which > -> bit is playing from which song (when they're playing at > -> once) and you'll be creating new pieces of music (the > -> "third song"). > -> > -> when i started mixing, (this is extremely funny in > -> hindsight, but i was extremely serious about it at the > -> time) i was playing everything from public enemy and > -> new order and inner city to r.e.m. and u2 and led > -> zeppelin. and i was anal beyond belief (flashback to a > -> young andrew: mom: "andrew, how come you never have > -> your friends over anymore?" andrew; "because they don't > -> put things back in the right place!") whenever i got a > -> new record, i would take out my watch and find the bpm > -> of *every single track on the record* (yes, *even* the > -> ones that i would never play out!) and write them down > -> on a piece of paper in order from slowest tempo to > -> highest tempo on that record. i would then file all my > -> records (12"s were easier, of course, cos they would > -> have less songs to bpm than an album) in terms of the > -> lowest starting bpm on that record. here's the > -> punchline: then when i djed (i was doing like a 6 hour > -> set on weekends at the university plus gigs here and > -> there (back then they were called "mobiles")) i would > -> start the night around 8pm with songs at the lowest bpm > -> (say 60) and play all the 60bpm songs, then move to 62 > -> for a while, then 65, etc. later in the night i would > -> be up to 120 or so. (gosh, that must have been > -> horribly painful and annoying and repetitive for repeat > -> attendees!) if i would get a request for a song that > -> was downtempo and i was playing in the 120 range, i > -> would say "i've already played songs in that tempo". > -> (yes, i hope you're laughing as you read this. > -> thankfully i'm not that anal person anymore, but you've > -> got to picture lil' ol' me back then, so damn serious > -> about bpms that--get this--if i got a new record, i > -> would not play it out--no matter what--until i had > -> figured out the bpms for it! crazy, i realize now.) > -> anyway, i cured myself of this > -> bpming-every-single-song-no-matter-what and > -> playing-songs-according-to-bpm-from slowest to > -> fastest-all-night a couple of years after i got into > -> that phase. at first i just didn't bother bpming every > -> single song, than i stopped filing them by bpm (changed > -> to alphabetical), than i got looser and looser with my > -> filing system until now, many many years later, i just > -> have pre-90s stuff roughly in one area and stuff since > -> then in another and the pre-90s is divided loosely up > -> into disco/funk, dance, and hip hop and the 90s on > -> stuff is loosely divided up into house, techno/electro, > -> and everything else rows. now when i mix i just go by > -> feel, if it is close and the mood warrants it, i'll > -> beatmatch, but otherwise i'll just stitch the songs > -> together in a fashion that makes best sense. speaking > -> of sense, hope this long ramble/blather makes sense and > -> is possibly of some use to you. take care, alex and all > -> the best with the mixing. andrew duke > -> > -> > -> Jason Trenholm was born 31 August 1969 and died > -> 1 January 2004. 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