Trust me if you knew what I'd been through, you'd understand. I have been in this industry for 10 years and I know what I'm talking about. Why should I be ashamed of saying that some women trade on their gender and then betray their own? Why are feminists so loathe to accept that? Let's get real. When a woman (not an Australian) sets out to sabotage your efforts in some strange powerplay I think it would be wrong to pretend everything is all sisterly and wonderful all the time. I have no intention of moving to London. It's not a stereotype, it was a very real incident. Yeah, I am very angry over it a year on. There is one major female promote/agent here who openly says she doesn't like working with women, it's awful, but at least she's straight up about it. There are so many wonderful international women I have worked with in this scene: Laura Gavoor, bless her, Angela Maison here who has created a scene, Sara Giampa, a great writer here, and in Detroit I have a lot of time for Barbara and Tamara Warren and others who are real catalysts in the music scene. However, I am not going to pretend women have been not allowed themselves to fall pray to divide and conquer. Every woman I have spoken to with considerable experience in the scene knows exactly what I mean.
> Shame on you - bitching about women bitching about women. These are damaging > stereotypes, more so when women perpetuate them. > I don't know women like this, it depends on the person not the sex. And come > to think of it, i know loads and loads of blokes into techno and none of > them are into ornaments either. > Maybe you should move to London ;) > > > > ---------- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Brendan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: RE: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the > Biggest > War Criminals of the 21st Century" >>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 2:41 AM >> > >> "forced" ? LOL! I don't think this phenomenon is unique to music ;) >> >> "intrinsically knowledgable chicks" need more care and feeding than >> armpieces (this is bound to happen if one has a brain *and* uses it) so if >> a guy isn't interested in that part of a woman, an armpiece will do just >> fine. that's how it's been explained to me, anyways. >> >> I saw lots of ladies at Movement '03 and they weren't all ornament looking >> - mostly 'real' looking and having lots of fun with the music - with or >> without the guys! >> >> lisa >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Brendan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Monday, February 2, 2004 9:47 am >> Subject: RE: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the Biggest >> War Criminals of the 21st Century" >> >>> Ah, but I'd say there's an extent to which a lot of these males >>> are kind of forced into a situation like that - you could spend >>> *years* looking around for someone whose mindset and interests are >>> very compatible with your own, but because most people fall more >>> into the "ornament" category, that's who you're most likely to end >>> up with. >>> >>> Given the choice, I think most techno-geek sort of blokes would go >>> for an "intrinsically knowledgable 'chick'" over an "ornament" any >>> day! >>> Brendan >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Katrin Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Sent: 02 February 2004 14:43 >>> > To: Cyclone Wehner; 313@hyperreal.org >>> > Subject: AW: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the >>> > Biggest War Criminals of the 21st Century" >>> > >>> > >>> > Sometimes I am shocked that some really intelligent males who >>> > love to share >>> > their music with others choose these girls that are not into >>> > the music at >>> > all (but are really good looking)... some people just aren't >>> > into soul mates >>> > methinks.... But then, music isn't everything. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> > Von: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Gesendet: Montag, 2. Februar 2004 15:13 >>> > An: 313 Detroit >>> > Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are >>> > the Biggest >>> > War Criminals of the 21st Century" >>> > >>> > >>> > Hey, that's me, but I'm dieting. ;) >>> > But 80 percent of the male trainspotters *I know* go out with >>> > ornaments, not >>> > "intrinsically knowledgeable 'chicks", usually 21 years old, >>> > then they get >>> > frustrated that they don't have someone who gets their music. ;) >>> > It takes hours and money and effort to be the perfect female >>> specimen,> doesn't leave much time for music. ;)))) >>> > >>> > ---------- >>> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > >To: 313@hyperreal.org >>> > >Subject: RE: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration >>> > Are the Biggest >>> > War >>> > Criminals of the 21st Century" >>> > >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 1:26 AM >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > D.May Quote from Robert>"I always prefer to play to a chick who's >>> > > intrinsically knowledgeable about life, than a >shirtless, >>> > sweaty guy >>> > who'd >>> > > dance to anything that has a beat." >>> > > >>> > > Q. Who pays D.May's wages? >>> > > >>> > > is it >>> > > >>> > > a) intrinsically knowledgeable 'chick'? >>> > > or >>> > > b) sweaty guy who dances to anything with a beat? >>> > > >>> > > ha, I'd rather deliver the post to "intrinsically >>> > knowledgeable 'chick's" >>> > > too, but theres only fat sweaty accountants here. oh well. >>> > > >>> > > p.s. any "intrinsically knowledgeable 'chick's" with a >>> > large transmat >>> > > collection and ticket stubs for d.mays last gigs, drop me a >>> > line, I'd like >>> > > to buy you dinner. >>> > > _________________________________________________________________ >>> > > >>> > > --------------------- End of message text -------------------- >>> > > >>> > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their >>> > > individual, non-business capacity and is not on >>> > > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. >>> > > >>> > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming >>> > > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and >>> > > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you >>> > > give your consent to such monitoring >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >
