So anyway, back to the discussion - does anyone think there is common ground in the feelings evoked by what I call 'soul' music and techno? There are obviously excellent examples of this in techno (the Relics EP by Abacus immediately springs to mind). Without degenrating into the old soul vs. machine 'debate', is there more to the fact that these separate styles exist, in that they express different emotions or feelings? A lot of techno is basically saying 'Come the f*ck on!', and all the better for it. Is it merely the distinction between lyric-laden music and 'tracks'?
I guess what's on my mind is - what the f*ck is techno music SAYING?? Hope this is a suitable question, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 March 2004 12:31 To: Andrew; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now? aha cool :) -----Original Message----- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 10/03/2004 12:18 To: '313 Detroit' Cc: Subject: RE: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now? >yeah you see when you say R Kelly it makes me really crawl and that kinda crap crates me >up the wrong way but like techno I shouldn't listen to a track and hate it and then say >naa I hate techno cos I don't so I try to listen to it and not sum it up as it being R&B, >sorry Andrew SOUL.. :) Haha, thanks Ian! I guess I should clarify - what was referred to as 'pleading music', basically the soul version of cheesy stuff like Paul Van Dyk etc., is what I label in my head as 'R & B'. And then tracks like 'You Don't Know My Name', D'Angelo, Jill Scott, Badu, Kindred, Tweet, Balil, Raphael Saadiq, and the 'Organic' crew I call SOUL! I don't like to lump in all these artists together just because they're recording in the same era, for me they are getting at something completely different. So there. :) -----Original Message----- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 10/03/2004 12:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; Andrew Cc: Subject: RE: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now? There's a lot of RnB (R Kelly is the prime suspect), that is truly horrible - what Tristan calls 'pleading' music - 'ooooooh babeeeee pleeeeeeeese taaaaake mee baak' but there are some fresh producers out there seeing the likes of Kelly off. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:02 PM To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; Robert Taylor; Andrew Subject: RE: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now? also Soul 2 Soul and stuff but the other stuff today it just grates me the wrong way but I do listen to it and then say no not for me..so I don't poo poo it striaght away and say naa turn it off....its like a naked women I'd happily see her ankeds but make my own decision if I liked her still...;) -----Original Message----- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 10/03/2004 11:58 To: 'Robert Taylor'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Andrew Cc: Subject: RE: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now? I find most r&b too slick but I picked up the Cody Chestnutt CD <Headphone masterpiece> a while ago and it rocks. Self produced in a bedroom studio on a 4 track...alegedly. But an good listen. Rav -----Original Message----- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 March 2004 11:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Andrew; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now? Not at all? Don't dismiss an entire genre, fella. There's great music everywhere -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:49 AM To: Andrew; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now? ahh well then that's me out, sorry I don't do r&b 0) -----Original Message----- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 10/03/2004 11:45 To: '313 Detroit' Cc: Subject: RE: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now? Haha, nah man, we're talking about Alicia Keys! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 March 2004 11:44 To: Katrin Richter; Andrew; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now? is this the Armand Van Helden one? if so I agree I don't really like it either but hey each to their own but I think Blackwater is soaring, beautiful, and melancholy than that track and its techno :) -----Original Message----- From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 10/03/2004 11:38 To: Andrew; 'Cyclone Wehner'; '313 Detroit' Cc: Subject: AW: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now? I soooo not agree. I think it's cheesy and cheap.... If Techno would ever evoke these feelings in me, I would not like it. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. März 2004 12:01 An: 'Cyclone Wehner'; '313 Detroit' Betreff: RE: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now? YOU DON'T KNOW MY NAME IS THE BEST SONG I'VE HEARD IN AGES!!!!! My god what a heartbreaker! Techno has a hard time inspiring the same emotions, generally speaking of course...there's such _ambition_ in a song like 'You Don't Know My Name', it's soaring, beautiful, and melancholy. -----Original Message----- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 March 2004 00:29 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) what's your favorite track/album right now? Well every time I mention a hip-hop/R&B CD here Carl Craig ends up charting it or playing it, so... ;) I think that 'chipmunk' thing came from RZA distorting samples, I like it, but there's none of that on West productions like You Don't Know My Name by A Keys (a Theo Parrish fave incidentally) or Encore by Jay-Z, etc. The album is superb. > i gotta debate you there. > i haven't heard the whole album but.. > kayne west is responsible for the whole chipmunk sample crazy- easily > the worst thing to EVER happen to pop music. > > now if anyone doesn't mind- i could easily start a thread regardi > hip=hip that i've recently discovered. stuff that probably has more in > common with carl craig than public enemy > > anyone? > > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Cyclone Wehner wrote: > >> It's not techno/house but I am totally enamoured with the Kanye West >> album The College Dropout - esp Never Let Me Down and Jesus Walks. >> The production is excellent - he's developed the Blueprint template - >> and the lyrics insightful, astute and candid. >> >> > as far as techno, i'm pretty into the new Damon Wild doublepack on >> > Kanzleramt. especially "mr mean" and "halflife." the combo of >> > "tough" stompy drums and totally wussed out synths is, in general, >> > pretty unbeatable, imo. >> > >> > as far as rock music, i'd always have to go with Lungfish and the >> > Lungfish side-project The Pupils on Dischord. if you want to give >> > them a shot, i think i'd recommend starting with Lungfish's "Sound >> > in Time," completely amazing start to finish. >> > >> > not that i necessarily think you've never heard these records, but >> > those are the things i'm into right now. >> > >> > also, i'd agree with Chad about Stars of the Lid. droning, largely >> > guitar based, i think, ambient. and the show they played in urbana >> > last year was one of the best i've seen. which i think is saying a >> > lot, considering i'm an impatient guy and it was an ambient show. >> > >> > eric >> > >> > On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, synthetic tom wrote: >> > >> >> sorry to re-post this question, but i'm craving some new music >> >> that i've never heard of before, and there's no better place to >> >> ask than here. >> >> >> >> as for me, i've recently discovered DeepChord and Docile >> >> Recordings and i'm loving them both. buy on sight as far as i'm >> >> concerned. >> >> >> >> playing right now: Drexciya "Digital Tsunami" >> >> >> >> later y'alls >> >> >> >> t >> >> >> > >> ############################################################################ ######### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. 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