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i'm really in love with sound - and working on it means more possibilities of expression - i know of and adore this primitive beauty of raw, dirty and rough sound, yet its just a single shade of the infinite spectrum /z99 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ it was 20.07.2004 when u've been going like this -=> ::> that really sums up the best parts of his argument. however, i ::> dont think that most electronic music is guilty of this. if ::> anything, people have accused some techno and house of stagnation ::> because of the reliance on the old roland boxes and minimoogs. IDM ::> wasnt guilty of this initially, they utilized most of the same ::> gear and sounds. now, it, progressive house, drummy techno, and ::> drum and bass are the most guilty of pretty much every accusation ::> this guy has against electronic music. music is reduced to a cool ::> sound, one that doesnt last long before the new sound comes ::> along. part of old school techno and house's appeal to me is its ::> rawness, the bad tape edits, the crap pressings of trax records, ::> the primitive programming of the generally low end electronic ::> instruments. see, these instruments dont force people into ::> this "perfection" that alot of electronic music has boxed itself ::> into. the mainstream attitude does: liking these ultra-pristine ::> forms of music is more akin to liking bad pop music. the dirty old ::> techno house idm and jungle is more like punk rock, its more about ::> the expression and not the sound. ::> yeah, lets argue about this for a while. ::> tom ::> ________________________________________________________________ ::> andythepooh.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~