I'd suggest "Hardtrance Acperience" by Hardfloor as the first 
record that made some producers think, "I've got to have that 
sort of snare roll in every track I make!"

I'm sure it wasn't the first track to employ that sort of 
technique, but it really did put the big-breakdown'n'snare-
roll on the map, and by the time of tracks like "Access" and 
"Higher State Of Consciousness" hit, the divide was clearly
established. Soon after that you started getting subgenres 
of trance, and by that time the rift between trance and 
techno was irreparable.

Robotman's "Do Da Do" had a huge Hardfloor-style breakdown
and buildup in it, come to think of it. But that was after
"Hardtrance Acperience" IIRC...

Brendan (aka the Friday afternoon snare roll historian)

p.s. they're playing "Rez" by Underworld here in the office
right now, appropriately enough...

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> I'll readily admit that I like trance music - of the variety 
> that came out
> on the Volume compilation sets.  There are quite a few 
> Detroit artists on
> those. Check out these track listings:
> http://www.discogs.com/release/88553
> http://www.discogs.com/release/69311
> http://www.discogs.com/release/17822
> http://www.discogs.com/release/17824
> http://www.discogs.com/release/17825
> http://www.discogs.com/release/17826
> 
> but this is trance before the "Great Divide" that got its start in the
> early 90s and by 94-95 was well on its way to pushing trance 
> and techno
> apart.
> I'd like to know - what was the first "Trance" record that 
> put the massive
> build-ups and breakdowns on their way to the history books of 
> dance music?
> 
> I know Richie Hawtin and Speedy J were lumped in the trance music very
> early on - I'd say that they are two of the only producers 
> that most techno
> and trance fans can agree on.
> They sure knew how to abuse the 808/909 drum rolls as well.
> Everyone goes on about Oakenfold but i put more blame on Paul 
> Van Dyk and
> Sven Väth and what was going on in Germany and Goa, India for 
> the way that
> trance became "progressive house/trance".
> 
> MEK
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> oh wait...are we 313ers still supposed to hate Trance? oops! 
> I forgot that
> "trance" was supposed to be taboo. a few weeks ago I was at a 
> Dollar Store
> and as I was checking out there was a CD display near the 
> register. as I
> spun through the terrible selection I came across a double CD 
> compilation
> on
> Rising High Records called "The Secret Life of Trance". it 
> included tracks
> by Timo Mass and Jam & Spoon and it was only one dollar...so 
> I bought it. I
> figured it would be good for a laugh or two. so while 
> cleaning house the
> other day I decided to put it on and give it a listen before 
> throwing it
> away, but ended up listening to it straight through. it's 
> actually quite
> good! (?) I apologize, guys. it was an accident and it only 
> happened once.
> I
> swear! I feel so dirty. but at least it wasnt "electro clash"! :)
> 
> oh and regarding movement: maybe it's time to take it off of 
> life support?
> it's already made history and has it's place in our hearts 
> forever. why not
> just let it go? Keeping a "version" of it alive artificially or in an
> altered form would do nothing but tarnish the fond memories 
> of what it once
> was. Have you ever had your favorite danceclub/party/event 
> outlive it's
> natural lifespan? it gets pretty sad at the end. examples: 
> Lollaplooza?
> Motor Lounge? The Limelight? Ministry Of Sound?
> 
> DEMF: Do Not Resuscitate
> 
> I have nothing against the DEMF/Movement festival or it's 
> organizers. I
> performed at the very first (where I was paid quite 
> handsomely) and what
> may
> turn out to be the very last one (where I performed for 
> absolutely free)
> and
> would gladly do it again if they needed me to, but if the 
> only way to keep
> it going is to make it an "Area One" monster rock show, then 
> it's time to
> let it rest in peace and take it's rightful place as a part 
> of the history
> of Detroit Techno.
> 
> sean deason
> 
> on 1/27/05 9:14 PM, Anton Banks (313) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these
> words:
> 
> >>> and a trendy headliner would be good too.
> >
> > I can see it now- "Now playing on the trance stage..."
> >
> > <<said with extreme sarcasm>>
> >
> 
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