honestly, james, i think that this a bit of a dangerous attitude. it's all
well and good if we know where to find this music but if we can't recruit
new listeners then it will become harder and harder to find what we want as
it becomes harder for sympathetic businesses to survive.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:31:02 +1000
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
tosh,
if i've got this right, you're complaint is that there isn't eneogh
mainstream media exposure for the music we love and like.
why do you want that? because you have trouble finding or being exposed to
decent music?
i don't have any problem finding as much great house, techno, electro and
disco as i want thanks to on-line record stores and d.loading dj sets. so i
don't feel any lack.
if it's question of respect or appreciation - well, this is underground
music. i don't want to see the music i like packaged, pushed and treated
the way britney spears' music is treated.
james
www.jbucknell.com
Tosh Cooey
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To
09/02/05 10:38 PM Robert Taylor
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cc
Matt MacQueen
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<313@hyperreal.org>, Tosh Cooey
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Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread
On Me
You're all far too bloody defensive. If you would defend your right to a
free
and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived
slight
against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. As John
Osselaer
previously said:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>The set is from Switch Studios which I guess is a radio station in
Brussels,
>
>
> ---> That's national radio for ya. Studio Brussel is the youth channel
of the
national radio. Switch runs every Friday and Saturday, I believe from 8pm
till
the early morning hours. We've had quality dance shows on national radio
from
the early nineties on (Teknoville) ...
>
> John
"National radio". One more time, "national radio", which means that the
entire
country is exposed. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size
as the
Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea.
"National radio" is more "mainstream" than "community radio" is all that I
said.
I NEVER slighted "community radio". If you have proof of a
counter-example
then I'll concede.
Damn...
Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this:
"It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the
ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming."
I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING
or
BREAKING-UP the "ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming."
And everyone who suggests "well we have community radio and the internet
blah
blah" is being disingenuous, because that is a position of RETREAT, and the
englobulators will not stop and let you have community radio and internet
radio
all to yourselves, they HAVE to grow otherwise their share price stagnates
and
they can no longer raise money from the markets, so they WILL GROW into
your
nice little world, or close your little world down.
Anyway, Matt, don't be so defensive, what you're doing is great, and you
know
it's appreciated, just by proof of the amount of support you get. Nothing
would
make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the
country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like
I am.
Tosh
--
McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/
Robert Taylor wrote:
> I know lots of people over in the UK who listen to the show on the net
and
> not all of them are 'heads' - I play the show in the office/library - my
> colleagues who usually listen to Audioslave and U2 appreciate it and
visitors
> to the library ask what's playing so regularly that maybe I should get a
'now
> playing' sign to put on the hatch!
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Matt MacQueen
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:14 AM To: 313 Cc: Tosh Cooey;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't
Tread
> On Me
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2005, at 7:35 AM, Tosh Cooey wrote:
>
>>> downloaded matt mcqueen's latest radio show (a counter-argument to your
>>> claim that 'this' would never happen on american radio), a fabrice lig
>>> mix, an old mixmaster morris mix
>>
>> --> Matt's a great guy, but he's playing for a very very very small
niche
>> in a very very very small niche market, not exactly mainstream.
>
>
> Somehow i missed this thread, sorry for the late reply Tosh. I
appreciate
> the olive branch, but that attitude cracks me up. there was once a time
in
> the US when people probably said House music was very very small niche
when
> it was on the air here 15-20 years ago and guess what... it fired up a
world
> phenomenon that is still a part of the dance music culture you celebrate
> daily. if you said that back then to the people Djing on WBMX or Hotmix
5
> or whatever, yeah, they could have said "why bother?" -- at that time it
was
> niche, they were playing weirdo italo disco that was already 5 years old
to
> US radio audiences. they played disco after disco was "dead". but but
they
> made a difference instead, they mixed it up and did their own music and
> called it house, those radio shows fundamentally shaped the future of
> electronic dance music forever. It was the same way with Mojo. A lot
of
> what he played was pop, sure, but he mixed it with a lot of local detroit
> techno records that people then wanted to check out, get interested in,
or at
> least listen to religiously on his his show. These were major market
> commercial stations! Now, what has happened in the last 10 years with
Clear
> Channel and the homogenization of radio programming options absolutely
sucks,
> sure, but has only made the independent stations that much more fired up
to
> keep doing what they're doing. it hasn't devastated the airwaves...
yet
>
> We're broadcasting in chicago on friday nights, prime time 9:30pm - 12:30
> am... how you define a "very very small niche" but to me that's a HUUUGE
> opportunity to turn people on. We've had calls from as far as 50 miles
> north of the city who can pick us up on a clear night, and last I checked
we
> were the 3rd or 4th largest city in the US. Think of how dense the
> population is in chicago. Having a broadcasting tower is a the great
> equalizer. It's time people took community radio seriously as an
alternative
> to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. Everyone in the US who
just
> sits on the outside of radio and takes pot-shots, have you ever scanned
your
> dial for community or university stations, many of whom still truly CARE
> about the formatting, are non-commerical or ethical in how they conduct
> business, present alternative viewpoints to the mainstream stations, and
work
> true musical diversity into their programming time? Many major markets
have
> these. There are some amazing radio programs in NYC too. Here in
chicago
> you can hear polish folk music to punk to salsa programming to
underground
> hip-hop, you can find it on the air here. When Bill VanLoo was going to
> school in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, way up in the remote parts of the
> snow-buried rural land, he was pumping out detroit techno week after
week.
> In Chicago I can think of a few other stations besides WNUR in chicago
who
> have awesome programming on other nights. Is it mainstream? Only if you
hit
> people squarely in the ears who had NO IDEA there were still good radio
> programs in the US, people click around. I'm not out to change the world
and
> have techno on every radio station, but I am trying to turn people on to
> quality electronic music, one listener at a time.
>
> And i'm not even getting into the webcasting and site downloads.. i check
the
> logs and we've got people from 50+ countries regularly listening.
Community
> radio in the US is powerful, were' on the ghetto end of the dial, but
don't
> sit there across the world and give us a little pat on the head. :)
>
> peace -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
>
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