There's a grain of truth in that, but it probably isn't *quite* that bad James!
Ken Odeluga Editor, Equities - Market Talk Dow Jones Newswires [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 February 2005 01:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me survive? a 20 year run for a youth culture musical movement is way too long as it is. we're living on nostalga. we're a bunch of balding hippies waiting for punk to come along and put us out of our misery. still dancing to jeff mills playing 'strings of life'...might as well be dressed in cheesecloth at a grateful dead concert in the mid 80s. james www.jbucknell.com "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To 10/02/05 11:43 AM 313@hyperreal.org cc Please respond to Subject [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me honestly, james, i think that this a bit of a dangerous attitude. it's all well and good if we know where to find this music but if we can't recruit new listeners then it will become harder and harder to find what we want as it becomes harder for sympathetic businesses to survive. Original Message: ----------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:31:02 +1000 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me tosh, if i've got this right, you're complaint is that there isn't eneogh mainstream media exposure for the music we love and like. why do you want that? because you have trouble finding or being exposed to decent music? i don't have any problem finding as much great house, techno, electro and disco as i want thanks to on-line record stores and d.loading dj sets. so i don't feel any lack. if it's question of respect or appreciation - well, this is underground music. i don't want to see the music i like packaged, pushed and treated the way britney spears' music is treated. james www.jbucknell.com Tosh Cooey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To 09/02/05 10:38 PM Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc Matt MacQueen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313 <313@hyperreal.org>, Tosh Cooey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me You're all far too bloody defensive. If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. As John Osselaer previously said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>The set is from Switch Studios which I guess is a radio station in Brussels, > > > ---> That's national radio for ya. Studio Brussel is the youth channel of the national radio. Switch runs every Friday and Saturday, I believe from 8pm till the early morning hours. We've had quality dance shows on national radio from the early nineties on (Teknoville) ... > > John "National radio". One more time, "national radio", which means that the entire country is exposed. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. "National radio" is more "mainstream" than "community radio" is all that I said. I NEVER slighted "community radio". If you have proof of a counter-example then I'll concede. Damn... Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this: "It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming." I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the "ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming." And everyone who suggests "well we have community radio and the internet blah blah" is being disingenuous, because that is a position of RETREAT, and the englobulators will not stop and let you have community radio and internet radio all to yourselves, they HAVE to grow otherwise their share price stagnates and they can no longer raise money from the markets, so they WILL GROW into your nice little world, or close your little world down. Anyway, Matt, don't be so defensive, what you're doing is great, and you know it's appreciated, just by proof of the amount of support you get. Nothing would make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like I am. Tosh -- McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/ Robert Taylor wrote: > I know lots of people over in the UK who listen to the show on the net and > not all of them are 'heads' - I play the show in the office/library - my > colleagues who usually listen to Audioslave and U2 appreciate it and visitors > to the library ask what's playing so regularly that maybe I should get a 'now > playing' sign to put on the hatch! > > -----Original Message----- From: Matt MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:14 AM To: 313 Cc: Tosh Cooey; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread > On Me > > > On Feb 7, 2005, at 7:35 AM, Tosh Cooey wrote: > >>> downloaded matt mcqueen's latest radio show (a counter-argument to your >>> claim that 'this' would never happen on american radio), a fabrice lig >>> mix, an old mixmaster morris mix >> >> --> Matt's a great guy, but he's playing for a very very very small niche >> in a very very very small niche market, not exactly mainstream. > > > Somehow i missed this thread, sorry for the late reply Tosh. I appreciate > the olive branch, but that attitude cracks me up. there was once a time in > the US when people probably said House music was very very small niche when > it was on the air here 15-20 years ago and guess what... it fired up a world > phenomenon that is still a part of the dance music culture you celebrate > daily. if you said that back then to the people Djing on WBMX or Hotmix 5 > or whatever, yeah, they could have said "why bother?" -- at that time it was > niche, they were playing weirdo italo disco that was already 5 years old to > US radio audiences. they played disco after disco was "dead". but but they > made a difference instead, they mixed it up and did their own music and > called it house, those radio shows fundamentally shaped the future of > electronic dance music forever. It was the same way with Mojo. A lot of > what he played was pop, sure, but he mixed it with a lot of local detroit > techno records that people then wanted to check out, get interested in, or at > least listen to religiously on his his show. These were major market > commercial stations! Now, what has happened in the last 10 years with Clear > Channel and the homogenization of radio programming options absolutely sucks, > sure, but has only made the independent stations that much more fired up to > keep doing what they're doing. it hasn't devastated the airwaves... yet > > We're broadcasting in chicago on friday nights, prime time 9:30pm - 12:30 > am... how you define a "very very small niche" but to me that's a HUUUGE > opportunity to turn people on. We've had calls from as far as 50 miles > north of the city who can pick us up on a clear night, and last I checked we > were the 3rd or 4th largest city in the US. Think of how dense the > population is in chicago. Having a broadcasting tower is a the great > equalizer. It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative > to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. Everyone in the US who just > sits on the outside of radio and takes pot-shots, have you ever scanned your > dial for community or university stations, many of whom still truly CARE > about the formatting, are non-commerical or ethical in how they conduct > business, present alternative viewpoints to the mainstream stations, and work > true musical diversity into their programming time? Many major markets have > these. There are some amazing radio programs in NYC too. Here in chicago > you can hear polish folk music to punk to salsa programming to underground > hip-hop, you can find it on the air here. When Bill VanLoo was going to > school in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, way up in the remote parts of the > snow-buried rural land, he was pumping out detroit techno week after week. > In Chicago I can think of a few other stations besides WNUR in chicago who > have awesome programming on other nights. Is it mainstream? Only if you hit > people squarely in the ears who had NO IDEA there were still good radio > programs in the US, people click around. I'm not out to change the world and > have techno on every radio station, but I am trying to turn people on to > quality electronic music, one listener at a time. > > And i'm not even getting into the webcasting and site downloads.. i check the > logs and we've got people from 50+ countries regularly listening. Community > radio in the US is powerful, were' on the ghetto end of the dial, but don't > sit there across the world and give us a little pat on the head. :) > > peace -- MM http://sonicsunset.com > > ######################################################################## #### ######### > Note: > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically > stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error, please notify > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thank You. > ######################################################################## #### ######### > > > > ForwardSourceID:NT000190F6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ForwardSourceID:NT0001921A
