On 6/27/07, J.T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
haha you are crazy.
i never said i wasnt.
says who? are you kidding? i didnt even control how i was marketed with mo'wax/platinum projects, hence, they spelled my name wrong
so you didnt sign with them in the first place? if you wanted to be marketed in a specific way, you could have bypassed all of that by not signing on the dotted line. simple as that.
how do we control who our crowds are? i wish!
well, if you are a house and techno deejay, and youre being booked in a city to play a club that plays ironic hipster music, surely you could just turn the gig down?
ahh the "right" way! who do i get ahold of for this?
anyone who has a conscience and isnt into ripping off cultures.
you're a joke with this hater stuff man.
no.
gimme a break. surprise tom -- in general party music is popular. including in bmore.
maybe with the ironic white hipsters there.
i'm talking about all your talk about the "real" artists not playing/making the same sort of stuff as spank/ayres hence they are not credible on da streets and deserve no respect! it's your whole point as far as i can tell
i never said anything about streets. theyre not creidble in the culture they claim to be part of. that means theyre nothing.
come on!! these aren't soul-less 60 year old record producers making this stuff to cash in, it's people who heard the music and honestly loved it. neither ayres nor spank just walked into major label deals either! come on!
so if theyre not on majors they cant be making money off of somethign thats not theirs?
i've heard plenty of the real stuff, LOADS AND LOADS of it SUCKS!! SUCKS HARD!
none of it sucks as much as spank rock or t&a. not a single track.
can you please distinguish how he came from hiphop culture any more than ayres
el-p released indie hiphop with company flow years and years before indie hiphop was anything: http://www.discogs.com/release/242128 before it made money, before anyone gave a sh*t that guy was there. these guys showed up last week trying to cash in on the hipster popularity of local black musics so they can get paid.
and is it really necessary to distinguish hiphop from bmore from house etc etc? so if somebody who is a dope hiphop producer falls in love with house, they can know to stay away because they are not "real"?
hiphop and house and club culture are all closely related. plenty of people make both and participate in both cultures.
what sorts of things?
cultural appropriation.
race is sometimes an issue, but why is it here?
because in balitmore, the artists and crowds for club music are traditionally all black. now suddenly there's this alternate club music being made and listened to by white hipsters because its ironic to like something so "ghetto" or whatever.
why would it be so different if spank rock were all black instead of 1/2 black?
it wouldnt matter if they were purple if they were down with the culture. but theyre not so it doesnt matter.
and you are leaving out the rest of the damn globe. all this hispanic hiphop, kuduro, baile, kwaito, on and on..i guess because they arent white, their massive inspiration from hiphop culture is a different matter...
you can add your own influence to something else. hiphop culture is all over the globe now, and it has been mutated and added on to. i personally think all of this stuff sucks, but at least it is being done by people who live that culture as best as it is done in their country. spank rock and t&a live down the street, theyre spectators to a culture they then represent. tom
