Indeed. This prompts to relay a quick anecdote - I worked on a 4D system originally developed by Aparajita more than 22 years ago for an investment bank. It used a plug-in that was probably little known at the time - ObjectTools. Aparajita's always been far, far ahead of the curve. That 4D codebase was, and still is, the cleanest and most maintainable 4D codebase I've ever had the opportunity to work on - apart from my own of course :D
Actually, Aparajita writes on his website, and I quote: "I originally wrote ObjectTools in 1990. In 2013, 4D added C_OBJECT, which has most of the functionality of ObjectTools. It only took them 23 years to catch up, not bad! š" Hint... if Aparajita was to give some trainings at the next 4D Summit on the work he's done porting npm pacakges to 4D, well we could all learn a great deal from his experience and I would be over there like a shot! I've made a couple of half-hearted attempts to get to grips with JavaScript's power in the last few years but not seen them through. Looks like it's time to try again with a fresh mindset. If we didn't know it already, that JavaScript stuff is everywhere these days... In the meantime, it would educate us a great deal if 4D was to provide some really good detailed examples of these new commands. Perhaps they exist already and I just didn't come across them yet... Regards, Narinder Chandi, ToolBox Systems Ltd. I am available for new consulting opportunitiesā¦ http://4d.1045681.n5.nabble.com/ANN-4D-Developer-Available-td5765443.html -- ļ»æ-----Original Message----- From: 4D_Tech <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com> on behalf of 4D Tech Mailing List <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> Reply-To: 4D Tech Mailing List <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> Date: Monday, 16 September 2019 at 23:32 To: 4D Tech Mailing List <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> Cc: Kirk Brooks <lists.k...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: More on 4D Objects and 'Inheritance' Well gee, what does Aparajita know about object oriented stuff? š¤ Nicely put. On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 1:23 PM Aparajita Fishman via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Well my recommendation is not to use New formula ever. > > Translation: āIām not sure I can use them properly, therefore no one > should.ā š > > > > Even with properly > > encapsulated code structured in a way that makes sense, it's still > > impossible to get the context, source, or whether or not the method call > > even exists in the object. > > Not my experience at all. > > > > It's basically just a dangerous feature at this > > point just waiting to explode when your ".get()" isn't the same ".get()" > as > > you were expecting. > > Not my experience at all. > > > > 4D needs to add actual class structures for it to be > > 1) Easy to document and lookup the source, or see the actual function > > documentation like now when we mouseover a method call. > > True, but I have found the benefits far outweigh those minor > inconveniences. Looking up the source is trivial if you use a good naming > convention. > > > > Right now there would be a lot of > > overhead to design an object correctly so that New formula use doesn't > > spiral out of control > > Not my experience at all. I ported https://github.com/expressjs/express < > https://github.com/expressjs/express> to 4D. > > > > , and even then, time consuming to maintain. > > Not my experience at all. > > > > I tried applying it in another case > > where there was no UI and a lot of processing in loops. It was slow. > > Not my experience at all. I see no measurable slowdown. > > - Aparajita > > ********************************************************************** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ********************************************************************** -- Kirk Brooks San Francisco, CA ======================= What can be said, can be said clearly, and what you canāt say, you should shut up about *Wittgenstein and the Computer * ********************************************************************** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com ********************************************************************** ********************************************************************** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **********************************************************************
