Gustin Johnson wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>   
>> For Suse there is a "release candidate" forum on English, but not on German.
>>
>>     
>>> 64Studio is still currently based on etch, so it is a little unreasonable 
>>> to expect to get support for Lenny here.
>>>   
>>>       
>> Not support, but a sharing of experiences by some users. The argument to
>> share testing experiences in the developers list isn't good, because
>> developers shouldn't be bothered with falsities, that can be clarified
>> if users will share their experiences.
>>
>>     
> Who better than the developers to tell us users what information they
> need?  To me, anything else just seems to be a waste of time.
>   

"Subject: Bug report - dmidecode failed

Dear developer :)

I have dmidecode installed, but it dosen't work? Ten minutes before it
was fine.

Now:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dmidecode
bash: dmidecode: command not found
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

Ten minutes before:

64studio:/home/spinymouse# dmidecode
# dmidecode 2.9
SMBIOS 2.4 present.
[snip]"

With some hardware problems even the coders won't know what was going
wrong, because it won't be so obvious like my faked bug report.

Do you know that ntpdate is obsolete? For Suse they say sntp -P no -r
will do the same as ntpdate does, but that isn't true, I figured out
that I need to run sntp -v -P no -r and sometimes date too, to get what
ntpdate gives me.

Also a stupid example, with hardware such changes can be harder to
figure out.

A user forum is the better place for stuff like this.

There also is the bug tracker issue. People search for the bug they have
got and couldn't find it, but there were still ten people reporting the
same bug. In a user forum it can be allocated as an addition to an
existing bug report, resp. sometimes a vote, that you has got the same
bug is better, than to report the same thing too.

Hermann from this list told me how to add a stack trace to a bug report,
someone from the jack "developer" list told me how I can force a core
file, if an application hangs. Step by step I get informations from
others, how to write better bug reports, something that I won't learn by
reporting to Bugzilla and Co.

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