On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Guilherme Lino <guih.l...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:31 PM, simon softnet <ph.soft...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Some people's contribution to this discussion is really null and >> irritating.. >> They go like "Pfff Apple did this for the customers! oh yeah, and by the >> way, the keyboard is faster in general" >> Well, at least apple has indeed made the effort to publish a research! >> Attracting customers or not, this doesn't mean apple's research is >> necessarily false. >> What do you base your arguments on? > > if thats your contribute then your null and irritating > > you just need to read the post and links on this post to understand, that > this is a non sense. > > once upon the time i also liked to be with one hand on my lap and the other > playing with mouse, but i took the time to learn something different like > "KEEP YOUR DAM HANDS ON THE KEYBOARD!", and thats what I'm defending. i > still have a windows for gaming but my daily routine is on a terminal > (started with vim, and then arch linux, dwm, urxvt, zsh, vimperator) which > all i took the time to learn and configure. I'm with just almost with 8 > months of this unix, vim, linux, command line , plain text, shortcuts thing > and every day i learn something new, a new shortcut that will make me even > faster, and I'm not going back :D and thats i subscribed this malign list, > cause i want to go deeper. >
dude, you're a gamer of course you like cool ninja keyboard shortcuts, I most of us just want to edit some text and maybe compile it later. I particularly don't have the time to learn of those cool shortcuts that will make my life easier after I learn them. I'll choose notepad.exe over emacs any day, just because I don't have to remember a random combination of keys just to save a damn file. > (I'm actually joining money together to buy a iMac xD so forget the > "HATER!!" part) > > now if you ONLY excuse for an argument is talking to me about a research > made more than 20 years ago with AppleLink editor and MS-DOS word processor, > making some absurd affirmations like "taking two seconds to chose a > shortcut" (WTF?) (who were the tested subjects? togs mother?) , requested by > a company who is desperate to sell computers with a mouse. (ooohh but it was > a $50 million R&D) then go no further, the mouse is for you > if you are a person who use the PC to go to the facebook or make a school > paper work, then the mouse is for you! > seriously, i don't recommend that to my girlfriend, or to my friend who like > to edit movies or use blender, > > now if you are in any informatics related business keyboard is the way > (i even do all my UML diagrams in text mode with plantUML, you should check > it out, its much more easy to concentrate on the problem rather than the > diagram appearance) > > > quote from there: > "Command-Key Illusion. Since users do experience the illusion that > keyboarding is faster, there is market pressure to supply them with > "shortcuts."—even when using "shortcuts" will actually slow them down. What > I generally recommend is supplying as many "shortcuts" as demanded by the > market—the real market, not the programmer in the cubicle next to you. " > > clearly makes no sense, the market (majority of the users that usually buy > computers) don't even care about shortcuts, 70%(guessing here) computer > users don't care about shortcuts, maybe 30% don't know whats that, my > girlfriend don't.. ok.. maybe CTRL-c CTRL-V (but CTRL-x is totally obscure > to her) > i should read: > "As the market don't care about shortcuts, we give you the mouse, so you can > adapt and learn and start to use easily. so we can sell more > computers"(note: not fast or efficiency) > > > i used Fences on windows with a ton of shortcuts on my desktop, still not > fast or productive > > my Firefox browser only have 1 bar, the status bar (vimperator extension > with the config (:set gui=none)), and i bet my browsing is faster than yours > every time i want to go back, bookmark, go down up.., open a address, do a > search, i just need to press one or two key, > no need to be always traveling with the mouse up there > > people are lazy, thats why they prefer the mouse, but if you spend some time > learning to use command line, vim, emacs, and configuring shortcuts > everywhere, you wont be able to leave without them. > > I'm not saying mouses sucks and should die! of course i use the mouse to for > daily tasks which i find more practical(like selecting text), now is the > mouse faster than the keyboard in a general daily routine? you cant do > nothing with the mouse! therefore not faster... > > "mouse is the devils way to keep you from productivity!" > > (just used the mouse to copy a paragraph the rest was all keyboard) > (to long, did not read? xD) > (sorry for my English, I'm from Portugal) > > cheers > > -- > > > Guilherme Lino > -- Federico G. Benavento
