Thanks Jacob for catching the mistake. Vic
On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 16:12, Jacob Moody wrote: > You just sent to this to just me, not the list. Shame not everyone > could see this LLM drivel :( > > On 5/12/24 00:46, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: >> I've noticed the growing divide within our community, and I believe it's >> crucial for us to strive for an inclusive environment that transcends any >> "us versus them" mentality. A shared vision and values are essential for >> guiding our direction and efforts within the Plan 9 community. Let's focus >> on bridging this gap and fostering a space where collaboration and unity not >> only exist but thrive. >> >> It is important to acknowledge that adopting a "my way or the highway" >> attitude serves no positive purpose for the Plan 9 community. Moving >> towards less polarization will enhance our capacity to welcome and encourage >> diverse contributions, making our community stronger and more innovative. >> >> I want to express my gratitude to everyone who has shown a commitment to >> improving collaboration. True collaboration requires effort from all sides, >> and I am hopeful that both 9front and 9legacy can reap equal benefits from >> our collective endeavors. Let’s work together to build a community we are >> all proud to be part of. >> >> Vic >> >> >> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 11:55, Jacob Moody wrote: >>> I've gone ahead and made a repository[0] for an up to >>> date fossil* for 9front. I didn't have to do more then >>> clone the 4e repository, apply the 9legacy patches and >>> type mk. Took all of 10 minutes. Testing is left as >>> an exercise for the reader. >>> >>> * No warranty given or implied. >>> [0] http://only9fans.com/moody/fossil/HEAD/info.html >>> >>> On 5/11/24 19:43, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: >>>> As far as I can tell, 9front doesn't have a problem >>>> on this side; we just imported the Power64 compilers, >>>> have working versions of risc64, etc, all pulled in >>>> from the 9legacy world. >>>> >>>> The work to port usually ranges between negligible >>>> and trivial. >>>> >>>> As far as I can tell, the only thing preventing 9front >>>> changes from making their way back to 9legacy is a lack >>>> of hands to do the work. >>>> >>>> And while I'm happy to lend a hand, help debug, and even >>>> make trivial changes to enhance portability, I personally >>>> don't care to spend time porting software to a system I >>>> don't intend to use. >>>> >>>> tl;dr: you need people doing the work before you can try >>>> to organize them; the way to get people doing the work is >>>> to bootstrap it by doing work and showing value. >>>> >>>> Quoth vic.thac...@fastmail.fm: >>>>> Perhaps adopting this mindset could be beneficial. When developing a >>>>> feature, it's worth considering its potential for portability and >>>>> usefulness to other communities. >>>>> >>>>> Vic >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 07:27, hiro wrote: >>>>>> just send the code then >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 12:22 AM <vic.thac...@fastmail.fm> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me explain my intent and elaborate on my point of view. I started >>>>>>> a new thread to enhance the signal-to-noise ratio. It's easy for a >>>>>>> thread to become cluttered with multiple issues, so I believe creating >>>>>>> separate threads for distinct concerns helps streamline communication >>>>>>> and keeps discussions focused. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As a hobbyist, I see we all share a passion for Plan 9 and its >>>>>>> development. Enhancing collaboration between communities would benefit >>>>>>> everyone involved, and potentially enhance decorum on 9fans. I am >>>>>>> curious to gauge whether there is any interest in activities that could >>>>>>> facilitate positive teamwork, foster stronger connections, and break >>>>>>> down barriers between communities. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fostering discord among communities seems to only perpetuate more >>>>>>> discord. In my mind, seeking to improve collaboration between >>>>>>> communities seemed, and still seems, worthwhile. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As a hobbyist, I find myself pondering: What motivates individuals to >>>>>>> participate in 9fans if not for a genuine interest in supporting the >>>>>>> Plan 9 community? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vic >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 01:26, hiro wrote: >>>>>>>> congrats for teaching the bot to create more email threads with new >>>>>>>> subjects. just what we need as a community. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 4:55 PM Lucio De Re <lucio.d...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I guess we're on the same page, right up and including the fist >>>>>>>>> fight(s). But I think we are all entitled to be treated more >>>>>>>>> courteously in a public forum such as this, including not ascribing >>>>>>>>> malice unless it is explicit. Being touchy has plagued this forum >>>>>>>>> just about forever, it would be nicer if instead of calling out bad >>>>>>>>> behaviour, it got the benefit of the doubt. I accept that I was as >>>>>>>>> guilty of that presumption as much as anyone who posted after me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lucio. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 3:39 PM <k...@a-b.xyz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What I notice - correct me if I am mistaken - is that any >>>>>>>>>>> comparison between 9front and 9legacy seems to needle a few members >>>>>>>>>>> (very few, there are many names from that community that have not >>>>>>>>>>> participated, specifically the ones I know hand have long >>>>>>>>>>> respectes, ask them) of the 9front community that seem to take >>>>>>>>>>> offence unless 9front is painted in a better light. I guess that's >>>>>>>>>>> permissible, but please mind your manners if you choose to go that >>>>>>>>>>> route, this is 9fans and 9front I believe has its own discussion >>>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I offer you the perspective that this happens by rule when obviously >>>>>>>>>> wrong >>>>>>>>>> or ridicolous claims or demands about / of 9front are made. >>>>>>>>>> This is seen to further degrade the already quite degraded >>>>>>>>>> perspective >>>>>>>>>> it has within parts of the 9fans community. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't think it is unreasonable for people who have invested a lot >>>>>>>>>> of effort >>>>>>>>>> into 9front and believe it to be something worthwhile to feel the >>>>>>>>>> urgency to >>>>>>>>>> defend it, or at the very least talk about it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I do think a bit more courtesy or less bad faith assumptions could >>>>>>>>>> be prescribed to certain individuals, and not only on the 9front >>>>>>>>>> side. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I propose such issues are best solved by a fist fight, >>>>>>>>>> therefore >>>>>>>>>> acknowledging the legacy of dispute resolution methods of our >>>>>>>>>> ancestors and >>>>>>>>>> fostering a more resilient and vibrant community that thrives on >>>>>>>>>> both change >>>>>>>>>> and tradition. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Lucio De Re >>>>>>>>> 2 Piet Retief St >>>>>>>>> Kestell (Eastern Free State) >>>>>>>>> 9860 South Africa >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 >>>>>>>>> Cell: +27 83 251 5824 >>>>>>>>> 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options >>>>>>>>> Permalink ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tcf128fa955b8aafc-Mfd1d1b7e548a6446f8c84f68 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
