regarding your "Yes" response to RB's comment "But it may be, then, that the ideal world you envision is what you hope to find as an afterlife?" ... are you indicating that in your ideal afterlife, there are individuals, physicality?
On Feb 9, 3:03 pm, Joe <[email protected]> wrote: > On Feb 7, 4:41 am, Redshirt Bluejacket <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > There is some risk, I think, in wishing everyone to know "the truth" > > while operating under the presumption that your own theology > > represents that truth -- > > I didn't stipulate that as a necessary presumption. > > >I conversely would probably wish everyone to > > "know" the "truth" of pandeism, though I at the same time acknowledge > > an inability to prove the efficacy of this model in any sort of > > absolute sense.... but, naturally, it ought to be expected as well > > that your ideal world is one wherein the ideology which you attest as > > "truth" is, in fact, truth.... > > The truth would be known in an ideal world, whatever it may be. > > > And there is something of a paradox in this conception, for if your > > theology is correct, then our real world is the produce of an ideal > > Creator, and so is exactly as its Creator has determined it is > > intended to be, and yet is filled with people who indeed harbour > > "conflicting beliefs," filled with shameful intolerance (and outright > > violence).... > > Temporarily. > > >so in some sense, ours is an ideal world precisely > > because it contains all of these things, for whether yours is a > > theistic or a pandeistic model, it must be confessed that ours is not > > a world from which any of these things are excluded, whether by > > happenstance or as a matter of a fully realized plan.... and so it > > must be necessary for these things to exist, toward some purpose. It > > is an interesting exercise to contemplate what purpose such may be, > > and what end it may serve. > > Suppose it were up to you to determine. What would you then > determine? > > > But it may be, then, that the ideal world you envision is what you > > hope to find as an afterlife? > > Yes. > > >Or do you believe such things might be > > achieved in this, our current life's experience of our world? > > Yes. > > > > > On Feb 6, 3:22 pm, Joe <[email protected]> wrote:> On Feb 6, 1:42 am, > > Redshirt Bluejacket <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > This is something of a thought experiment -- the question is, what > > > > would the world be like if it were, in your view, an "ideal" world.... > > > > to what degree would people be free to engage in diversity of thought? > > > > In an ideal world, every person would think the truth. The truth has > > > great diversity, so in that sense there would appear to be "freedom of > > > thought," but people would not be free to think bad things or false > > > things. The freedom would be creative and artistic freedom. > > > > > to disagree with your own beliefs? > > > > In an ideal world there wouldn't be conflicting beliefs. > > > > >to what degree would people in > > > > practice conform to your own beliefs? > > > > It wouldn't be "my" belief vs "his" belief. All would believe the > > > truth. > > > > >and more deeply, how would > > > > justice be effected, how would economics and education and agriculture > > > > and recreation and civic life factor in? > > > > Once Love finds its rightful place as Ruler of the world, everything > > > else will fall into place. > > > > >what would be the sort of > > > > treatment to be afforded by majorities to minorities (including > > > > minorities by sexual orientation), or would there be any? > > > > None of the people in the ideal world would put anyone else down. > > > > >How > > > > homogeneous would we be, how populous, how globally distributed? How > > > > technological? What sort of a world would you envision if told you'd > > > > be dropped in an "ideal" world? > > > > Ha! That is anybody's guess. If I were told that, I'd have to expect > > > that it would "ideal" according to the ideals of the one doing the > > > dropping. Who knows what I'd find? > > > > It is interesting that dom said in her ideal world she'd be dictator. > > > That is honest. The whole problem in this world is the conflict of > > > wills. The question is, is there, or is there not, a potential > > > universal harmony? In my ideal world, all would live in that > > > harmony. Of course I believe such a thing exists, and I call that > > > harmony the Will of God.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
