O ok. I was not thinking that this is your favourite subject. Kasha.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air > Dear Kasha, > > I will certainly know when a topic is crossed the limits. We are still > having meaningful discussions on the issue. I am perfectly aware when a > discussion is going far beyond intended topic. If you do not want to > read the mails of this topic, there is a Delete key on your keyboard. > Make good use of it. > > Regards, > Kiran. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kasha > Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2006 8:09 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air > > Hae, I'm really fed up with this topic. it's more than enough, I guess. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:48 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air > > >> Hi Rakesh >> In which sector of I.A. is there no concession? >> Harish. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dr Rakesh Jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by > Air >> >> >>> As I said, In Indian Airlines, the special class for blind and other >>> disabled persons is "M". It has very limited number of seats, may be, > one >>> or >>> two on each flight. In some flights they do not have this class at > all. >>> In >>> such,cases, they do not issue blind concession at all and you are > forced >>> to >>> buy a full fair or any other category of fairs if it is available. I > have >>> more than once faced this situation. >>> >>> Dr. Rakesh Jain >>> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 >>> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 >>> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 >>> Skype ID: dr.rjain >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Harish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 8:29 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by > Air >>> >>> >>>> Hello Rakesh >>>> >>>> Indian airlines does not discriminate on this issue. If a seat is >>>> available, >>>> then they will give you discount confirmed seat. However, that is > not >>>> the >>>> case with Jet Air. They have a quota of concessional seats and keep > you >>>> wait >>>> listed. Again, it is a matter of economics. Some other airlines > don't >>>> offer >>>> any concession at all. >>>> >>>> In my opinion, DGCA guidelines cannot fall on the ticket fares and >>>> concessions or any package offered by the airlines. It is frevelous > on >>>> our >>>> part to make any recommendations on it. >>>> >>>> 1) What we should insist upon is that no airlines can deplane or > deny >>>> ticket >>>> to a blind person who are not escorted. >>>> >>>> 2) Permission to carry guide dogs without extra cost. >>>> 3) To provide wheel chair to the physically disabled without extra > cost. >>>> >>>> Personally I feel it is a non issue regarding the seating preference > >>>> made >>>> by >>>> airlines for operational reasons. >>>> >>>> Let me site an incident which apparently looks discriminatory. >>>> >>>> I was once flying with my wife and 2 infants on arm. After I > boarded, >>>> the >>>> air hostess came up to us and asked us to sit on either different > rows >>>> or >>>> on >>>> another wing. I thought it was ridiculous and obliged unwillingly, > after >>>> she >>>> kept insisting there was some rule to that effect. Much later, I > narated >>>> that incident to another hostess who was very friendly. She > explained >>>> the >>>> reason for that rule. In each section, eg. a lot of 3 seats, there > are 4 >>>> oxygen ducts. If there are more than 1 infant in arm, during an >>>> emergency >>>> there will be a short fall of the oxygen duct. Merely rearranging > the >>>> seating the problem is solved. >>>> >>>> By and large when a rule is made, there is a definite purpose for > it. We >>>> may >>>> not readily understand it. It is my guess that, Jet air may be > training >>>> the >>>> crew to first go and attend passengers in the last row first during > an >>>> emergency. >>>> >>>> Indian airlines, prefers to seat disabled passengers in the first > row. >>>> >>>> It is in our interest not to disturb this. >>>> >>>> Harish >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dr Rakesh Jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:18 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by > Air >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear Friends, I think the whole issue of concession is getting >>>>> confused. >>>>> The >>>>> discounted or concessional tickets for blind passengers a class > apart >>>>> altogether with all airlines. That is, there are limited number of >>>>> seats >>>>> on >>>>> each flight. What we require is that even if there is one seat >>>>> available >>>>> in >>>>> the flight, we must get a confirmed seat. The airlines should not > deny >>>>> us >>>>> the concessional seats if that particular class is full. Suppose, > there >>>>> are >>>>> ten or twenty or maybe two blind passengers who want to fly on a >>>>> flight, >>>>> according to the present system, all the blind passengers with not > get >>>>> a >>>>> confirmed seat if the low fair seats are full. Concession is not an >>>>> issue, >>>>> the issue is availability of concessional ticket to blind > passengers to >>>>> the >>>>> last available seat on a given flight. Please give your > suggestions. >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Rakesh Jain >>>>> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 >>>>> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 >>>>> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 >>>>> Skype ID: dr.rjain >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Harish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:01 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling > by >>>>> Air >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rajiv >>>>>> >>>>>> Since the advent of the low cost airline concept, the airlines are >>>>>> running >>>>>> in shoe string budget. Asking for a furthur discount would not > carry >>>>>> us >>>>>> anywhere. makes more sense asking for fascilities. >>>>>> Let me illustrate an incident, A full fare between Bangalore to >>>>>> Hyderabad >>>>>> last year was arround Rs. 5,000, the discount ticket using > concession >>>>>> would >>>>>> come to arround Rs. 2,500. However the reduced fare without > concession >>>>>> came >>>>>> to Rs. 1,200. Can you expect to get any furthur discount? >>>>>> Harish. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "disability rights initiative" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 4:22 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling > by >>>>>> Air >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> i have been following this topic with interest and frankly, i > admire >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> you guys who travel around so confidently without any escorts. > but >>>>>>> personally, being late blind myself, i am mortally scared of >>>>>>> travellling >>>>>>> alone. its not the fear of travelling but the fear of falling of >>>>>>> steps, >>>>>>> escalators, railway platforms and the like and strongly feel > that >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> air >>>>>>> travel also escorts should be allowed on discounted tickets like > in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> railways. i am sure there are quite a few of us who have to > travel >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> late blind and a little late in life to overcome the fear. it > would >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> good idea to encourage views from across the list so as to enable > us >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> a clearer picture. prasana pinchas case and also rajiv rajans >>>>>>> case >>>>>>> (locomotor disabled with cerebral palsy who was forcibly > medicated at >>>>>>> chennai for being mistaken for a mentally ill person) filed by > hrln >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> resulted in these guidelines being framed by dgca and ccpd has > sought >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> interventions on these guidelines so i will really appreciate a > more >>>>>>> vigorous expression of views on this topic. and if quite a few of > us >>>>>>> feel >>>>>>> that escorts should also be allowed on discounted tickets i feel >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> no >>>>>>> harm in expressing the same. if airlines are offering so many > tickets >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> discounted fares one more for an escort will hardly matter but > this >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> personal opinion. >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> rajive >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:12 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling > by >>>>>>> Air >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I get a feeling that you want to argue for argument sake and do > not >>>>>>>> want to look at the practical issues and repurcations of your >>>>>>>> arguments. >>>>>>>> If you cannot travel alone in a flight inspite of the fact that > the >>>>>>>> airport authorities and airline staff take good care of you, I > am >>>>>>>> sorry >>>>>>>> to say but you better not travel anywhere. Railways do not > provide >>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>> sort of help and so they allow for an escort. This is totally >>>>>>>> impractical and unfair when it comes to airlines. If you do not > want >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> travel alone, you are always free to take the train. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Secondly, I really don't understand why do people make so much > fuss >>>>>>>> about seating. There is no way and it is totally unsafe for any > sort >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> disabled person to be seated near the emergency exits. And if > the >>>>>>>> staff >>>>>>>> decides that they can help you better by seating you at a > particular >>>>>>>> place, what is the big deal? They can ask anyone to change seats > and >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> just blind persons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Kiran. >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 08 August 2006 2:02 PM >>>>>>>> To: ACCESSINDIA@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>>> Subject: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by > Air >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of dear, Let us leave somethings for the nodal agencies to take >>>>>>>> care. >>>>>>>> We >>>>>>>> require an escort to assist us during the travel. & we want a >>>>>>>> concessional >>>>>>>> ticket for an escort. We do not need an escort if Govt. could > do >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> us. Let the checking authority take care of verify the veracity > of >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> true >>>>>>>> escort or a 'business associate'??? We are aware of this fraud > is >>>>>>>> enough to >>>>>>>> know our responsibilities. But facilities could never be denied > >>>>>>>> upon >>>>>>>> apprehensions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seating a blind person at the rear or front-should it be an > issue? >>>>>>>> Why >>>>>>>> should a blind person be discriminated to get allotted a > particular >>>>>>>> seat?? >>>>>>>> Let the crew know where the person is requiring special > attention. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>>>>>> changes, >>>>>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>>>>>>> n >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>>>>>> changes, >>>>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>>>>> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: >>>>>>>> 8/5/2006 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>>>> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: >>>>>>> 8/5/2006 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > changes, >>>>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > changes, >>>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>>> >>>>>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Send instant messages to your online friends >>>>> http://in.messenger.yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > changes, >>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>> >>>>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > changes, >>>> please visit the list home page at >>>> >>>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n >>>> >>> >>> Send instant messages to your online friends >>> http://in.messenger.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n >>> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n >> > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. 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